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Richards Trophy..!!

From all the traffic on this thread, it looks like me and warmonger are the only real matelots on this feckin' site!!

C'mon boys & girls, ridicule it if you want, but seamanship is bread and butter stuff. It's no wonder that certain individuals in the RN have such a low opinion of the RNR, if the majority of us don't even know how to launch a seaboat, tie a heaving line onto a hawser, or even throw a heaving line etc. Sailors that don't know, nay, don't WANT to know seamanship. I'm disgusted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a pussers grey is RASing, or anchoring, or berthing it's not just seamen specs on the upper deck....... there ain't enough!!!

I feel decidedly unloved now so, I'm gonna sulk in the corner........ :cry:

I'll be there - Harbour lights....wahhaaayy!! Gotta be worth going just for that little pilgrimage!! :D
 
So, out of interest, do it just test your basic seamanship skills or does it also test if you know how to, say, read a chart properly, use tide tables or know the Rules of the Road? Do you know your lights and shapes? If you encounter a N Cardinal buoy whilst afloat, what action do you take?

Or doesn't is cover essentials like that? Mind you they're only really essentials if you're into yachting and the experienced crew are either all seasick or pissed as pussers. :lol:

Steve.

PS: I learned most of my seamanship theory in the MVS and the practical on weekends and weeks afloat courtesy of the Marine Society. :lol:
 
bunnyjumper said:
From all the traffic on this thread, it looks like me and warmonger are the only real matelots on this feckin' site!!

Bollocks! Could you communicate using flags or flashing light? Do you understand the intricacies of standard distance or manouvering interval (could you spell it even?), do you know the rules for automatic change of the guide, could you determine when and how to set watch on maritime communications circuits, both military and civil? Well I could!

bunnyjumper said:
C'mon boys & girls, ridicule it if you want,

I think you'll find its called banter actually.

bunnyjumper said:
...but seamanship is bread and butter stuff.

Agreed, but only to seamen - there are other specialisations in the RN and RNR that don't rely on having an intimate aquaintance with bits of string or chipping hammers!

bunnyjumper said:
It's no wonder that certain individuals in the RN have such a low opinion of the RNR, if the majority of us don't even know how to launch a seaboat, tie a heaving line onto a hawser, or even throw a heaving line etc. Sailors that don't know, nay, don't WANT to know seamanship. I'm disgusted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a pussers grey is RASing, or anchoring, or berthing it's not just seamen specs on the upper deck....... there ain't enough!!!

As a comms rate I actually have a high degree of respect for the dabbers' skills, however they are not the be-all and end-all of sea-going skills. Each branch has its own unique skills, all of which are required in some measure to get a pussers grey to work - as a comms rate I'd expect to be familiar with being in a sea-boat, not necessarily launching it. Similarly on berthing I leave heaving heaving lines to the experts, but I have done it in the past, as well as ship-driving (badly), sweep deck work, basic acquaint on the Bofors 40/60 and chipping and painting too.

At the end of the day I'm a comms rate and that's my area of expertise - I wouldn't expect you to be keen about the Duffy Trophy, don't expect me to enthuse about the Richards Trophy. And ..... just because I'm a buntosaurus doesn't mean I'm not a matelot too!

Flags
 
FlagWagger said:
bunnyjumper said:
From all the traffic on this thread, it looks like me and warmonger are the only real matelots on this feckin' site!!

Bollocks! Could you communicate using flags or flashing light? Do you understand the intricacies of standard distance or manouvering interval (could you spell it even?), do you know the rules for automatic change of the guide, could you determine when and how to set watch on maritime communications circuits, both military and civil? Well I could!

bunnyjumper said:
C'mon boys & girls, ridicule it if you want,

I think you'll find its called banter actually.

bunnyjumper said:
...but seamanship is bread and butter stuff.

Agreed, but only to seamen - there are other specialisations in the RN and RNR that don't rely on having an intimate aquaintance with bits of string or chipping hammers!

bunnyjumper said:
It's no wonder that certain individuals in the RN have such a low opinion of the RNR, if the majority of us don't even know how to launch a seaboat, tie a heaving line onto a hawser, or even throw a heaving line etc. Sailors that don't know, nay, don't WANT to know seamanship. I'm disgusted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a pussers grey is RASing, or anchoring, or berthing it's not just seamen specs on the upper deck....... there ain't enough!!!

As a comms rate I actually have a high degree of respect for the dabbers' skills, however they are not the be-all and end-all of sea-going skills. Each branch has its own unique skills, all of which are required in some measure to get a pussers grey to work - as a comms rate I'd expect to be familiar with being in a sea-boat, not necessarily launching it. Similarly on berthing I leave heaving heaving lines to the experts, but I have done it in the past, as well as ship-driving (badly), sweep deck work, basic acquaint on the Bofors 40/60 and chipping and painting too.

At the end of the day I'm a comms rate and that's my area of expertise - I wouldn't expect you to be keen about the Duffy Trophy, don't expect me to enthuse about the Richards Trophy. And ..... just because I'm a buntosaurus doesn't mean I'm not a matelot too!

Flags

I think he was probably refering to the dabbers on the site that are costantly decrying the seamanship skills in the rnr, seaman and others alike. We can all be called on to take part in RASing, so BASIC seamanship skills are required by us all. As are BASIC comms skills, as shown in the stances:

Life raft & Once Only Survival Suit
Bends & Hitches
Heaving Lines
Winch Work
Seaboat
First Aid
Anchors & Cables
Replenishment
Ceremonial /Communications
SA80 Drills
Bollard Work

I'm sure that we can see from the above stances, that the majoity are skills that all branches can be called on to exercise at some time while onboard. It's a good weekend, i'll be there knocking the rust off, making a goat of myself, trying to dig out the skills that are still in there somwhere, just dont get used that often, Its also open to other specialisations, so if your interested, come along and join us, you might even enjoy it!
I've also been along to the Duffy trophy as a dabber, good weekend too, shame its not as open to us as ours is to you other 'Inferior' specialisations! (and before anyone starts like i normally do, I was JOKING) :roll: :twisted:

MM
 
Actually, It was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek guys........ :lol: I wasn't expecting to hit any raw nerves. Mazza, you've got the picture.

However, now you mention it, it wasn't too long ago that GSSR were being "encouraged" to do the Duffy Trophy, and Merwexs etc. And GSSR ratings stepped up to the mark or got abuse if we didn't.

The point is that GSSR are now expected to know the basics of comms, medics etc, so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect other branches to know the basics of seamanship - which is what the Richards Trophy is. I mean, I don't see OOS drill, first aid, ceremonial or SA80 as purely GSSR skills.

More importantly, it's an opportunity for us all to get together and have a good laugh whilst actually learning something.

Now FW, do you want some ladders to get down off that high horse of yours...... :wink:
 
I'm gonna be there and make complete arse of meself (again) :twisted: .....as a loggie I've got not a seaman type bone in me body...fine if you want a herky or a C17 unloaded or an ISO stuffed/destuffed but about the only skill I know i've done before was throwing a heaving line soooooooo it's gonna be an intresting W/e.... :wink: :lol:
 
beer_bosun said:
Won't be there this year so please let us know how it goes.

Hopefully tales of how good it is and less of interference from "on me" et al.

When is it anyway?
It wouldn't be the same with out him ................making it up as he goes along !!

HE'S NEVER WRONG THO !!!!
 
A PSI for our place phoned me this week wondering where the trophy is. Hope they find it in time. May be that'll be the 1st stance? "Hunt the trophy"
 
Trophy was there....it was still with the winners fom 2 years ago cause the last winners Dalriada were too tightfisted to pay for its transport north of the border....and obviously werent that bothered by it either as they made no effort to move it throughout the year either...!!
 

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