Richards Trophy / Duffy Trophy

beer_bosun

Lantern Swinger
Given the number of weekends which we seem to be increasingly spending "doing RNR stuff", what would people think if the Richards and Duffy trophies were merged into a single weekend. Richards on one day, Duffy on the other.

This would have the benefit of freeing up a weekend in the calendar and reducing the cost and number of days to the RNR.

Having never attended either of these weekends, could these single event weekends be slimmed down to single day events?

Obviously the first snag is that logisitcally they are currently held at different locations, however I reckon that could be overcome.

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

(Am playing devils advocate on this one and have no preference either way having never attended either (tis PTP (or DTO as its now known) for 2007-8))
 

Trouble

Midshipman
I think you would be pushing it to run a competition on the Sunday as people generally need to get home as early as possible. The problem is wherever it was held some units would end up with a very long travel late in the day.
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
beer_bosun said:
Having never attended either of these weekends, could these single event weekends be slimmed down to single day events?

Obviously the first snag is that logisitcally they are currently held at different locations, however I reckon that could be overcome.

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Two thoughts, one logisitcal and the other slightly more philosophical.

In the past the Duffy has been heavily dependant upon the equipment located at Colingrad. The current Duffy format is slightly fluid although given it is a Comms competition it is likely to require access to Comms and IS fit, so relocation elsewhere could be difficult.

If both competitions are to be moved to Colingrad, there is a fundamental logistical problem called accommodation - there is a shortage of accommodation at MWS Collingwood, especially since the arrival of the Railway Children. On a normal Merwex weekend, they get about 100 or so people attending - space can usually be found. On the Duffy, the attendance can be well in excess of 200-300 which means Sultan, Blockhouse or even Browndown Camp have to be called upon. If you add in additional participants for the Richards Trophy then I think that we'd break the RN Central Booking System!

On the philosphical front, I can see that the relevance of Comms and Seamanship to the RNR has diminished in recent years so there could be justification for having a combined competition. However, the Duffy Trophy did not just relate to Comms(Sea) but also to the SM specialistion. There's also a strong COMMS element of the new CIS specialisation. Duffy is therefore most applicable to people within the C4ISR specialisation (plus the SM crowd who seem to be of no fixed abode!). Is there not an argument for extending the content of the Richards Trophy to include elements of GSSR too?

On balance, I think the two events should remain separate, and be held at the appropriate lead schools, after they're attended by different groups of people so savings of co-location would be marginal.
 

trehorn

War Hero
Trouble said:
I think you would be pushing it to run a competition on the Sunday as people generally need to get home as early as possible. The problem is wherever it was held some units would end up with a very long travel late in the day.

i think that someone forgot to tell the SR's that point for this years Richards.
After getting back to Raleigh from JP on Sunday we had 3/4 hour to wait before dinner, 1/2 hour for dinner, we were then told that all rooms were to be inspected so off we went to our relevant messes. 25 mins later no one had been to check them and everyone else had f*ucked off home.

We arrived at Raleigh at 1am on Friday, up at 0630, bed at 3am up at 7am set off home at 2pm and got home after 8pm.

Its a good weekend but we were well and truly f*cked by the time we got home. far too far to go for a weekend. then CDRE Reynolds complained that it took him 7 hours from london on Saturday.

Sorry sir, you wont get much sypathy from me.
 

trehorn

War Hero
(/quote) On the philosphical front, I can see that the relevance of Comms and Seamanship to the RNR has diminished in recent years so there could be justification for having a combined competition. (/quote)

RNR Comms is dead - long live GSSR.

a young lady this weekend questioned if it was possible to trasfer into CIS as she was ex-comms and only joined GSSR because she was told that she could still do tactical.

i loved tactical but MCO shite was suicide watch stuff.
 

WarMonger

War Hero
There is another thread open on the RT opened by me but as we are discussing its future will keep it to this one..!!

They have asked for feedback as to how it could be improved....but before I put pen to paper I was wondering what people thought of this years competition as a whole...!!

Would ask we try and keep it as constructive as possible...if that is possible!!
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
trehorn said:
RNR Comms is dead - long live GSSR.

If Comms is dead as you say, why then is there a fair chunk of Comms still contained within the CIS Ispecs? Perhaps its because the C stands for Communications!

trehorn said:
a young lady this weekend questioned if it was possible to trasfer into CIS as she was ex-comms and only joined GSSR because she was told that she could still do tactical.

The original intention, I believe, was that GSSR would become the RNR parallel to the RN Bridge QM branch (or whatever its called) which would mean all aspects of bridge work including buntingry. However, given the bias towards all things gunnery, there's a lot of pissed off ex-comms rates in GSSR.

Could she transfer now? Probably not now - she had the opportunity early last year to join CIS at the start - the Scheme Of Complement for CIS Ratings has now been agreed and surprise, surprise is extremely close to that numbers borne. As a consequence, the specialisation is effectively "closed" unless someone can offer some exception IS skills that the RN needs.

trehorn said:
i loved tactical but MCO shite was suicide watch stuff.

Having suffered sparker-shite in the MCO I can understand why sparkers are the way they are :)
 

mazza_magoo

Lantern Swinger
trehorn said:
Trouble said:
I think you would be pushing it to run a competition on the Sunday as people generally need to get home as early as possible. The problem is wherever it was held some units would end up with a very long travel late in the day.

i think that someone forgot to tell the SR's that point for this years Richards.
After getting back to Raleigh from JP on Sunday we had 3/4 hour to wait before dinner, 1/2 hour for dinner, we were then told that all rooms were to be inspected so off we went to our relevant messes. 25 mins later no one had been to check them and everyone else had f*ucked off home.

We arrived at Raleigh at 1am on Friday, up at 0630, bed at 3am up at 7am set off home at 2pm and got home after 8pm.

Its a good weekend but we were well and truly f*cked by the time we got home. far too far to go for a weekend. then CDRE Reynolds complained that it took him 7 hours from london on Saturday.

Sorry sir, you wont get much sypathy from me.

Ah i see! so you were the one i saw being dragged kicking and screaming into the harbour lights on saturday night, and held there, against your will until it closed. If its anyone's fault you were tired on sunday shippers, it's yours :twisted:
I remember the days when we worked hard, played hard, and didn't bitch about it after the event. I felt this was one such training period. obviously i was wrong. :lol:
 

Deckhead_Inspector

Lantern Swinger
What do you do for the Richards now? Didn't it used to be awarded for performance in the MSFs?



Trouble said:
I think you would be pushing it to run a competition on the Sunday as people generally need to get home as early as possible. The problem is wherever it was held some units would end up with a very long travel late in the day.

Now I get to my point. At least in the MSF, time travelleing to the training area on Friday evening was training in its own right. As was time travelling home on Sunday. If we were lucky, we were alongside early enough to have Sunday Lunch in a civilised manner with out having to wet the Ward Room table cloths. Then the afternoon was spent cleaning ship and handing her back to the "Custodians" or permanent staff. All proper naval activity. It does seem odd that I spend as much time on the motorways now on a training week end as I do actually training.
 

WarMonger

War Hero
mazza_magoo said:
trehorn said:
Trouble said:
I think you would be pushing it to run a competition on the Sunday as people generally need to get home as early as possible. The problem is wherever it was held some units would end up with a very long travel late in the day.

i think that someone forgot to tell the SR's that point for this years Richards.
After getting back to Raleigh from JP on Sunday we had 3/4 hour to wait before dinner, 1/2 hour for dinner, we were then told that all rooms were to be inspected so off we went to our relevant messes. 25 mins later no one had been to check them and everyone else had f*ucked off home.

We arrived at Raleigh at 1am on Friday, up at 0630, bed at 3am up at 7am set off home at 2pm and got home after 8pm.

Its a good weekend but we were well and truly f*cked by the time we got home. far too far to go for a weekend. then CDRE Reynolds complained that it took him 7 hours from london on Saturday.

Sorry sir, you wont get much sypathy from me.

Ah i see! so you were the one i saw being dragged kicking and screaming into the harbour lights on saturday night, and held there, against your will until it closed. If its anyone's fault you were tired on sunday shippers, it's yours :twisted:
I remember the days when we worked hard, played hard, and didn't bitch about it after the event. I felt this was one such training period. obviously i was wrong. :lol:

Lets hope you never get deployed operationally then....if your worn out by a bit of travelling and tying a few bends an hitches you have a rude awakening waiting for you...Life in a blue suit Im afraid!
 

imom1406

War Hero
WarMonger said:
Lets hope you never get deployed operationally then....if your worn out by a bit of travelling and tying a few bends an hitches you have a rude awakening waiting for you...Life in a blue suit Im afraid!

Pulled in Boobs at 2, late drinkies in Lil's until 4....all night in to 07.30...turn to at 08.00.....refit routine ...fabulous...took years off my life, but made a man of me....no stamina nowadays!
 

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