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Rewarding Reservists. Nothing for Regulars....Again!

Drakey

War Hero
"As Reservists are members of the Armed Forces on top of their civilian roles, they give significant and noteworthy service to our country. Each is truly twice the citizen and it is right that we recognise this publicly"

What a load of tosh...I'm on the outrage bus, anyone else joining me.
 
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guestm

Guest
It's less of the officers being allowed to earn it more the dropping of the "Good Conduct" part that's annoyed me. Ok an officer couldn't earn the medal, unless they'd been a JR prio, as it was expected that as an officer they should always have good conduct and if they were issued them originally and you had an old officer without one it would have shown as a mark on that officer. I'm not fussed about officers getting them it's the whole some guy is a dick for the first 10 years of his life, goes the glass house and as long as he's a good boy for 5 years up to his 15 he can still get the medal that's getting me.


I'd like to hope so too, but I know some won't / prefer to play the Undetected Crimes Game and such. Many people I know who have. Peedoo are proud of it and deservedly so, I would have been too as I'm on year 10 now but seems I won't get a LSGC anymore.


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It's all bollocks anyway, I know some utter knackers who have been in the shit consistently throughout their career and have somehow got their 'good conduct' medal because the details of their crimes didn't make it onto JPA. I also know some people who deserve it but for some bullshit trivia they got in the dang for in 2001 they didn't.

I was career checked in 2005, so next month I play the LSGC lottery to see whether I get mine or not. I'm not really that arsed TBH. The good conduct part means nothing as it's seriously inconsistent, dropping it and just making it a long service medal removes another layer of the system that doesn't work. It's all good in my opinion.
 

Taztiff

War Hero
Whilst walking through York recently I spied a LSGC medal in a medal shop window. Further inspection found it was presented (not given!) to a CPO during the First World War (next to his 1900 China medal). The only difference to mine was the name around the edge and the different monarchs head on the front.
To me that shows the historical relevance of my LSGC, ok I didn't get the monetary handout and I suspect 100 years ago the rules would have been different. But, its part of our rich heritage and not to be sniffed at.
I much prefer my LSGC for time done (ok, it was late but....) to my NATO medal for being in the right place at the right time.
 

Trainer

War Hero
Book Reviewer
These will be backdated to 1999???? Kinda kicks me in the slats, therefore, having served 14 years and 157 days from 1999 as a regular before being involuntary redunded. So I get...nothing. Roll on my 5 to get my VRSM, which is now also being disbanded.
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
VRSM isn't being disbanded - the VRSM remains, and you gain the post nominal at the same time. There are ridiculously complex rules around awarding medals which means its not linking the post nom to the medal, but yes you will still get a VRSM if you stay in.
 

drewfester

Lantern Swinger
It would be a more effective rant if you'd got the post nom correct - its 'VR' not 'RV'..

Apologies for the iPhone trouble and getting the letters the wrong way round

As I said, I have no problem with officers getting a long service medal or reservists getting the recognition of being able to put VR after their name after 10 years service.

What does grip my s$#t is that I did a full 22 years and have nothing after my name for it, despite serving in Iraq, Bosnia and former Yougoslavia.
For the last few years, especially within the army, there has been a push to treat Regulars and Reservists as equals, this flys in the face of that.
Why can't I be
Drewfester, CPO, RN (Rtd) ???
Just as
Lt Cdr Flipflop RN (Rtd) can
It needs to be the same across the board in my opinion.
Give the regulars who do the time the recognition as well.
Not to put down any reservist, most are good blokes and decent people, down but they do ten years reservist time with nowhere near the sea time or grief the regular will get in the same ten years, so recognition all round please.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
If it's being backdated to 1999 and I got the clasp to the LS&GC after that, do I get another bit of bling?
 

TheCommunicator

Lantern Swinger
Is RN a post nominal? I thought the only officers who should use RN are Lieutenants and Captains - to avoid confusion with the similar Army ranks where there is actually considerable difference.
 

Irezumi

Badgeman
So it was those damn officers and pesky tiffs who messed up your branch badges?

I bet there was absolutely no one from the branch involved at all!!!
 
The branch badge decisions over the last few years are a great example of this sort of thing:

The decision that branch badges no longer need stars and crowns.

When did this come in? I know they stopped it for the marines 6 years back and personally I thought it a good idea, no more having to sort out getting a load of uniforms rebadged, just because you did a career course and the amount of money and man hours saved by not needing to produce and change countless trade badges for different rates.



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Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
Why can't I be
Drewfester, CPO, RN (Rtd) ???
Just as
Lt Cdr Flipflop RN (Rtd) can

Using rank in retirement is becoming a rare thing below 'celebrity' soldiers and Flag/General Officers. If LinkedIn is anything to go by, retired officers are dropping their rank as fast as retired Senior Rates are adding the post nominal MCGI.

And the 'retired' thing is misused. It is supposed to indicate rank held on the retired list different to that held while on the active list. An old boss of mine, 24 years into retirement still signs off 'Captain Royal Navy', because he is.

Post nominals are fine in environments where the audience knows what they mean. The problem is with 'invented, self awarded' post nominals, irrelevant post nominals ( don't put them in your bus pass- even if you are a Knight of the Garter).
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
There's a bloke just started where I work, name tag on his door has Lt Col (retd) on it, much to the amusement of the ex and serving RN personnel there.

I'm just waiting for the graffiti on it to appear one night!
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
Is he a Booty?

A couple of weeks ago I was at a dinner (get me) that was fairly top heavy with retired RN officers. Two Commodores and one Captain of my brief and remote acquaintance now go by the by the title 'Mister'. Very much their choice.
 

slim

War Hero
Is he a Booty?

A couple of weeks ago I was at a dinner (get me) that was fairly top heavy with retired RN officers. Two Commodores and one Captain of my brief and remote acquaintance now go by the by the title 'Mister'. Very much their choice.
So now they have left the service they are punching above their weight!
The term Mister is an honorary term unless one is a surgeon.
Stand fast Warrant officers who have earned it:D
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
On the other hand, I know an engineering professor whose membership of the preeminent Royal Charter engineering institution is not senior enough to attract post nominal letters. He isn't even Chartered. Tut. However, he points out that with the pre nominal 'Professor' the alphabet after his name is kind of redundant.
 

slim

War Hero
On the other hand, I know an engineering professor whose membership of the preeminent Royal Charter engineering institution is not senior enough to attract post nominal letters. He isn't even Chartered. Tut. However, he points out that with the pre nominal 'Professor' the alphabet after his name is kind of redundant.

The term Professor may be applied to any person who hold the chair of their department in a university or other establishment entitled to award degrees.
Technically I suppose it would be possible for a non timed served or university educated person to hold a chair at a place of learning with no paper qualifications.

Literally, professor derives from Latin as a "person who professes" being usually an expert in arts or sciences, a teacher of the highest rank
 

onions

GCM
What happens if you have a break in service between the old and new criteria? When do the new rules come into force? A friend has done 13 years under the old rules, how does this pan out for him?
 
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