Return of service questions

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  1. Ok, I understand that you must do at least the first 4 weeks, then up until the first 6 months you can give 2 weeks notice to leave. Its after the first 6 month that Im a little unsure of. Ive heard from some sources that it is 2.5 years, but others that it is 3.5 years.

    Also is the return of service from the point when you finish basic training OR from the point when you finish professional training? I understand 12 month notice must be given at this stage, correct?

    Another thing some sources say initial length of service will be 12 years yet others say 18 years?
     
  2. You can claim discharge after 4 weeks service, up to your 6 month point, or 18th birthday, by giving 14 days notice.

    After the 6 month point you're committed to serving for another 2.5 years before you can submit notice to leave. Then your Return of Service kicks in, which is another 12 months you must serve, after giving in your notice.

    You're then liable for recall up to 6 years after your leaving date.

    Initial career is 12 years, I read this is extendable to 20 years after promotion, not sure if this is promotion to Leading Hand or higher? Maybe someone else knows?


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  3. Ok thank you. Its just that I read somewhere that the 2.5 years kicks in after phase 2, not during?
     
  4. I'll have to pass on that one as I was led to believe that each job has slightly different Phase 2 duration


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  5. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Correct. If you do not wrap before week 27 after joining, you must complete your Standard Initial Training Period (SITP) which varies between branches, then a Return of Service (30 months for most, 36 months for Student Nurses) before eligible to submit 12 months notice to quit.

    The initial contract length is 12 years, extending to 20 years if you pass selection for leading rate before your 12th year.
     
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  6. Thinking about leaving before even joining o_O
     
  7. Good job I'm not trying to leave, I'd have a right shock


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  8. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    To be fair to those joining, they do need to know their terms & conditions of service & will be asked about it at interview. It is important those joining are aware of minimum timescales.
     
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  9. Are you sure it is complete your return of service, then 12 months notice? I'm pretty sure it's RoS including your notice period.
     
  10. It does.
     

  11. Isn't week 27 mid-way through Phase 2? Or is it 27 weeks excluding the 10 weeks at Raleigh? - sorry for seeming pedantic!!



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  12. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    You can opt out for 26 weeks, counted from the day you commence training at HMS Raleigh. Where it falls is dependent on what branch you join.
     
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  13. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    For Ratings, the minimum time to serve (MTS) = SITP + RoS, then + 12 months notice period.

    SITP's by branch are listed here: (BR3 Chapter 7, article 0759) http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/~/media/royal navy responsive/documents/reference library/br 3/Br3book/ch07.pdf

    The RoS criteria is outlined here (BR3 Chapter 53, article 5302, paragraph B)

     
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  14. The things you learn.
     
  15. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Yep, the reason AFCOs have to ask applicants and give them a drop copy of their attestation form (s3049) is basically because when they want out, disaffected individuals will swear blind their AFCO never told them they would serve a minimum of 4 or more years.

    Selective amnesia is a common occurrence. Tiffs used to be the worst because they had a 48 month SITP and would always try to blag their way out after becoming qualified, without completing the 42 month RoS.
     
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  16. It may surprise you to know that some people join the services with the sole intention of obtaining qualifications that they would have to pay for in civilian life. Pilot is an obvious example. To discourage this activity a return of service is required to satisfy the taxpayer that your training was money well spent.
     
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  17. More to the point, the Armed Forces are one of the single biggest providers of trained Engineers (amongst other areas) to U.K. Businesses. We need to protect our investments.
     
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  18. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    In truth, the main two most popular things people cite as reasons for joining are travel and transferable skills.

    The 2006 Attestation Form remains valid for those who joined on the AFPS 2005 contract and remain on that contract. Those joining on the AFPS 2015 contract or switching to the 2015 contract switch to those terms and conditions of service.
     
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  19. Mmm, somehow << Roll on my SITP + RoS, then + 12 months notice period!>> seems no match for the shorter but oft-uttered expletive of << ROMFT!>...:(

    Previously <<ROMFD!>> D = Doz =Dozen = 12 Year Engagement
     
  20. Aye, I had some fun & games handling those baby Tiffs who played the 'Unhappy Junior' card/loophole, despite being over 18...

    Those that were successful attracted a lot of also-rans, too.

    Grrr & Spits.:cool:
     

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