Replacement for HMS Ocean...?

stumpy

War Hero
I know that it is a few years off but it has been said that HMS Ocean will need replacing in about 10 years. How about this idea:

When the 2 CVF's have been built, build another hull but with an interior optimised for amphibious. As the hull will be virtually similar it means that the build costs will be cheaper, and we would get a really capable RM helicopter ship with spaces for many helicopters, a large hospital, command and control, vehicles lots of booties etc etc. In addition it would be able to take Osprey, whereas the Ocean might be just big enough to land one, but not to operate a few! I reckon this idea would be cheaper than designing a unique vessel, and much more capable. And as the ME side of things etc would be the same as the CVFs then you get cost savings as opposed to operating different ships.
 

NotmeChief

Banned
That has to be the stupidest suggestion ever.

Come on - it's the government that deals with these things, they aren't that logical and if it don't waste money they wont know how to do it.
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Problem is, the LPH requirement includes making up the shortfall in vehicle lift and landing craft, as well as pax. The replacement studies are already looking at something between USS Wasp and the design the Aussies have just bought.

You wouldn't really want to replicate the CVF plant for this one, (although using the same donks would be a good idea) and in any case you'd need to completetly redesign the internals anyway to accommodate the required vehicle decks and troop spaces, never mind any landing craft.
 

chockhead819

War Hero
What an idiot you are stumpy, thinking with common sense when you are talking about defence. If you were a civil servant who can out with that you would be fired straight away. :)
 

chieftiff

War Hero
Moderator
stumpy said:
and we would get a really capable RM helicopter ship with spaces for many helicopters, a large hospital, command and control, vehicles lots of booties etc etc.

I like the sentiment, but we would probably just get a rusting hull!
 

flymo

War Hero
Replacement in only 10 years time? How come our cuzins across the Pond manage to get their vessels to last a bit longer than a dog watch?
 

stumpy

War Hero
flymo said:
Replacement in only 10 years time? How come our cuzins across the Pond manage to get their vessels to last a bit longer than a dog watch?

Because Ocean was built to cheaper commercial standards rather than military ones, and then worked very hard.

One of the main reasons I think it will be a good idea is that Ocean is optimised for Seakings and smaller aircraft, whereas the future in Amphibious Helicopters seems to be heading towards Chinooks or Ospreys. Yes, they can land on a CVS/OPH but take up vast amounts of deck space.
 
stumpy said:
Because Ocean was built to cheaper commercial standards rather than military ones, and then worked very hard.

Does the fact that she was built to cheaper standards to begin with mean she will need replacing sooner? Is that not a false economy then?
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Design life of 18 years with one refit to be precise. Should have paid the extra and bought the one from a proper shipyard..........

Special DAMP required to get out to 22 yrs.
 
chockhead819 said:
Obviously you haven't been on Ocean & see some of the welding where the ship didn't meet when it was put together.

A BAE SYSTEMS slagging again?

Listen guys, when you eventually leave the mob, please get a job with BAE, because with your wealth of experience in shipbuilding you will fare a damn sight better than the HUNDREDS of ex-matelots already employed by them. (Who, if the comments are to believed, aren't worth a fcuk!)

Cheapest Standards? Get a grip, a Standard is just that, it's a benchmark to work to, it's not cost associative.

Ocean was built on the Clyde by a shipbuilder who exercised lean manufacturing, as all shipbuilders did in the U.K. from the eighties on, and BAE Govan (previously Kvearner-Govan) are well versed in lean manufacturing.

Welded where it met? Brilliant observation. Steel, when used in the panel sizes that went into Ocean is flexible, which is why, more often than not it is Tampa heated or re-heated to bring it back to tolerance, so if it looks 'off' it maybe is, it doesn't affect the structural integrity (or are you all inferring that the Naval Archs & Design Boffins aren't worth a fcuk either?)

Ocean is a well made, Major warship, the first of the size since the Ark slid down Swans slip over 25 years ago!

Proper Shipyard? Define a proper shipyard, Govan? Clyde? Barrow? Vospers? (Southampton & Portsmouth), Appledore? Where?
 

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