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Remuneration: Service personnel vs Police

KLNA-Cessna-Jockey said:
I wont comment on the fact that it's probably due to all the English subsidies to Scotland that ensured all the Scottish coppers got paid in full then !

Or the fact that Londoners get even more of a subsidy, more than any one else in the UK
 

Oil_Slick

War Hero
I find it rather interesting that the current and ex-Police posting here seem very happy to debate the minutea of Political Correctness - ethnic diversity recruitment issues in the Police, but seem to have skipped over the basic problems with the current Police - that is, the effective abandonment of Peels Principles upon which our Constabulary was founded. Must be an 'institutional' thing.

And it's now Wednesday morning and I have not seen a single Police Officer/Car since 7.30am Monday round and about or during the 3 coummutes into and out of Pompey.
 
Oil_Slick said:
I find it rather interesting that the current and ex-Police posting here seem very happy to debate the minutea of Political Correctness - ethnic diversity recruitment issues in the Police, but seem to have skipped over the basic problems with the current Police - that is, the effective abandonment of Peels Principles upon which our Constabulary was founded. Must be an 'institutional' thing.

And it's now Wednesday morning and I have not seen a single Police Officer/Car since 7.30am Monday round and about or during the 3 coummutes into and out of Pompey.

Mind you I used to commute in and out of Pompey in the late 60s before I escaped north and even then one rarely saw a plod during the commute be he/she in a car, ona bike or on foot.
 
Strange you haven't seen Plod, the commuter routes are normally crawling with breath test patrols this time of year, unless they've done the morning stints and after some time off are going to switch over to the evening shift to catch the office party crowd.
 
Nutty said:
Oil_Slick said:
asst_dep_to_dep_asst said:
The question here is whether Service people should be paid as much as the police..


Well the more pointed question is:

How many times does the average plod go on patrol with a 1 in 10 chance of being killed or wounded?

When that question is relevant to their position, they can start talking about their pay in the same conversation as that of service pay.

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Oil Slick

This is the second time you have used this gratuitous argument about the risk servicemen take using stats to show your case. A few of the 170,000 servicemen and woman can be found in a situation where they put themselves in the firing line at any one time. Put Iraq and Afghanistan together maybe 10 to 15000 for six month tour then 18 months back in UK or where ever. Lets say Plod have a 2000 to one chance of getting killed or seriously injured. But over 70% of them are out there 5 out of 7 days for 30 years which rather shortens the odds.

Yes Servicemen should get more pay as should Nurses and Carers but that is not achieved by assisting the government to break a negotiated deal with the Police by supporting them breaking that agreement.

Nutty

Ex Service and like many other ex servicemen ex plod

Slick perhaps some of us have given up trying to discuss when the discussion is only one way.

Nutty
 

Oil_Slick

War Hero
Maxi_77 said:
Oil_Slick said:
I find it rather interesting that the current and ex-Police posting here seem very happy to debate the minutea of Political Correctness - ethnic diversity recruitment issues in the Police, but seem to have skipped over the basic problems with the current Police - that is, the effective abandonment of Peels Principles upon which our Constabulary was founded. Must be an 'institutional' thing.

And it's now Wednesday morning and I have not seen a single Police Officer/Car since 7.30am Monday round and about or during the 3 coummutes into and out of Pompey.

Mind you I used to commute in and out of Pompey in the late 60s before I escaped north and even then one rarely saw a plod during the commute be he/she in a car, ona bike or on foot.

Same here, that's because most of the Constabules from Fratton nick were pounding the beat and saying hello to the the natives on their routine rounds. We used to see a copper down our street during the day and one wandered down the street in the wee small hours…
 
Maxi_77 said:
KLNA-Cessna-Jockey said:
I wont comment on the fact that it's probably due to all the English subsidies to Scotland that ensured all the Scottish coppers got paid in full then !

Or the fact that Londoners get even more of a subsidy, more than any one else in the UK

Actually London subsidises the rest of UK plc. The City of London furnishes the government's tax coffers with around 40% of its total annual intake - oil revinues raise a fraction of this! When London and SE England (including Pompey) declare UDI we'll focus our tax revinues on ourselves - all 50% of them. :santa:

Eat your heart out Holyrood! :twisted:
 

Tartan_Army_Sailor

Lantern Swinger
KLNA-Cessna-Jockey said:
It's not purely an English problem - if affects officers in Wales and Northern Ireland too.

At least the Scottish ministers show more honour than those south of the border, with the exception of the Scottish PR!CK we have as PM

I object to you calling him a Scottish Pr!ck. He may be a pr!ick but don't call him a Scottish one. This I believe is racist and you better than anyone one should know better.

And for what it's worth I believe the Police should get their pay backdated, not because I believe the deserve it, but because that is what was agreed.

And as for the different federations, I don't think they should exist. If the Police Federation does not meet everyones needs then, that is something that needs addressed from within. The white hetrosexual male is the most descrimanted against person.

Woman only car insurance, if we had male only you would soon see the PC birgade kicking up a fuss.

The example you give about the disabled person and 2nd floor office. If the job is on the second floor and and the disable person has no way of getting there, then you would not employ them.
 
thingy said:
Maxi_77 said:
KLNA-Cessna-Jockey said:
I wont comment on the fact that it's probably due to all the English subsidies to Scotland that ensured all the Scottish coppers got paid in full then !

Or the fact that Londoners get even more of a subsidy, more than any one else in the UK

Actually London subsidises the rest of UK plc. The City of London furnishes the government's tax coffers with around 40% of its total annual intake - oil revinues raise a fraction of this! When London and SE England (including Pompey) declare UDI we'll focus our tax revinues on ourselves - all 50% of them. :santa:

Eat your heart out Holyrood! :twisted:

That is simply because companies havetheir head offices there and thus get taxed there, the real work is done elsewhere, carry on living in Lodon cuckoo land, the rest of the country supports you, strip out the head offices and the government employees (nothing personal you understand) and there is little left but some gamblers who play the financial markets.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
It is with utter contempt and disgust that we are now told that the same MP's who refused to be bound by the arbitration process (re: Police Pay negotiations) now want to award themselves a 10% increase over the next three years bringing their average salary to £67,000.

It must be really tough sitting in a nice warm office without the dangers of working shifts, getting assaulted, stabbed, shot at, murdered etc, etc.

"But don't worry, we will still screw you whatever which way we can, next year if you are lucky, we might give you a 2% rise, and, we will go to arbitration and draw it out for a few months so in effect we can then refuse to back date your pay and you will only get 1.5%"

See where this is going.....?

What a complete bunch of *******!

When you think about what is a fair rate of pay for police just think about what MP's get paid!

Annual MP Pay: £60,675
Housing Allowance over £23,083: TAX FREE
London Supplement: £2812
Car Mileage: 40p (for first 10000 miles) 25p (after 10000)
Bike Allowance: (per mile) 20p

PLUS THE BEST PENSION IN THE COUNTRY!!!

:evil:
 
SPB, you forgot that the MPs have just voted themselves a 10k propaganda budget each so they can spin there way into another term in office. I'm tempted to call them cnuts but, they are quite useful.
 

brendan498

War Hero
i have no respect for the police they say they want fair pay for fair work,well what a cushy number they have,give them a rifle push them out to war for a PJT and ask if you still want to do it

reduce the management structure

A National Police Force

Pay tapered to developement and results


and thewy have to remember they serve the public not the reverse
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Brendan: It is clear you have not read previous posts or read the facts behind the story, but the issue is not that they're demanding more money (don't we all!), but that their pay rise was negotiated with the Home Office, who have now reneged on the original offer.

And despite their wish to serve the public, their policies and work methods are driven by their political masters and ever-changing directives, who have not appreciation of what it means to be a Police Officer.

More paperwork and diversity training do not make a beter police force, which is what the officers want. But their hands are tied...

:roll:
 
Brendan, A great deal of public dissatisfaction with the police stems from the imposition of politically driven targets. Tying police pay to performance (targets) will only make matters worse.
 
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