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Remembrance Sunday

Wannabe_Officer

Midshipman
Not sure this is the right sub-forum, but here goes.

I am the sole URNU member in college and so am supposed to be laying a wreath alongside an RAF chappie at my college chapel, and I've never done it before. Is there some written RN protocol for how wreath laying should be carried out? Or, indeed, could any of you give me a few pointers to stop me making an idiot of myself? The Chaplain of the Fleet is preaching and I imagine he's seen enough Remembrance Day services to spot an amateur.

I shouldn't wear head dress inside the church, yes? Not sure where the wreath is to be laid, but if it's somewhere inside, does this mean I shouldn't salute? And if I do salute, the RN expects shortest way up, shortest way down, doesn't it? Final question which occurs to me for now is when, if at all, do I need to salute the chaplain?
 

Wannabe_Officer

Midshipman
@alfred_the_great I know I should have asked. But at least I have the morning service to learn and ask any URNU people about it before my wreath laying in the evening.

@purple_twiglet OK. I can do that

@rosinacarley No. Does that make a difference?
 

Chaz

MIA
Wannabe_Officer said:
@alfred_the_great I know I should have asked. But at least I have the morning service to learn and ask any URNU people about it before my wreath laying in the evening.

@purple_twiglet OK. I can do that

@rosinacarley No. Does that make a difference?


I guess it would do with regarding the wearing of headgear indoors.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Purple_twiglet said:
Don't drop the wreath!

Step forward, lean down, place it, step back and pause then I always dip my head smartly. Then step back into the line - simples!

My bold - since I'm now a civvy and wear no headgear, when I lay the wreath on Sunday, (on a Lt Cdr's War Grave) the head gets dipped as a mark of respect.

Hope this helps!
 

Blackrat

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
Surely those laying the wreaths, be the service indoors or out, wear headress?

If that is the case, you should also salute.
 

cadetsmum

Lantern Swinger
Blackrat

I thought the protocol was to take hats off (as you entered the church) but put back on going outside.
 

cadetsmum

Lantern Swinger
rosinacarley said:
cadetsmum said:
Blackrat

I thought the protocol was to take hats off (as you entered the church) but put back on going outside.

Not if you're a girl.

I think that if you are a service woman then you are expected to remove your hat / beret.

If the woman is not then she doesn't.
 

Joe_Crow

War Hero
cadetsmum said:
rosinacarley said:
cadetsmum said:
Blackrat

I thought the protocol was to take hats off (as you entered the church) but put back on going outside.

Not if you're a girl.

I think that if you are a service woman then you are expected to remove your hat / beret.

If the woman is not then she doesn't.

Sorry Cadetsmum, but you are wrong. A woman does not remove her headgear in church, a man does. A servicewoman does not remove her headgear in church, a serviceman does.
 

Wannabe_Officer

Midshipman
Seems there's a bit of confusion, but for a male almost everyone seems to agree, no cap indoors even for laying the wreath, and, therefore, I suppose no salute. I'll find out what the general URNU policy is soon enough, although it's the kind of thing I'd imagine the RN has written guidelines for.
 

Blackrat

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
cadetsmum said:
Blackrat

I thought the protocol was to take hats off (as you entered the church) but put back on going outside.

You could be right. I've always paraded outdoors you see so what would i know! However, surely the standard bearers & wreath layers wear head dress inside? I'm happy to be corrected.
 

Joe_Crow

War Hero
Blackrat said:
cadetsmum said:
Blackrat

I thought the protocol was to take hats off (as you entered the church) but put back on going outside.

You could be right. I've always paraded outdoors you see so what would i know! However, surely the standard bearers & wreath layers wear head dress inside? I'm happy to be corrected.
BR 3 PART 6 said:
3825. Wearing of Headdress
a. The wearing of headdress on different occasions reflects a combination of the cultural etiquette of British society, Naval custom and religious practices. As a guideline, the norms of formal etiquette should be followed. Further comments are given in the paragraphs that follow. These highlight the differences between those whose customs require removing the head-dress as a sign of respect, especially in religious circumstances (the European Christian norm); and those who cover the head as a sign of religious respect (Jews and others under varying circumstances). In addition:
(1) A male member of the Jewish faith may wear a dark, plain-pattern yarmulke whenever he removes other headdress.
(2) Special details for adherents of the Sikh religion are contained in Para 3826.
b. Naval and military funerals. Headdress is to be removed by the bearer party (excluding those participating in a Jewish service) while the casket is being carried.
c. Summary trial. The headdress of an accused member shall be removed prior to a summary trial. Prior to the administration of oaths, all members present shall be ordered to remove headdress. On completion of the administration of oaths, members present, other than the accused, shall be ordered to replace headdress.
d. Court Martial. Headdress shall be worn or removed in accordance with the directions of the Judge Advocate who determines the etiquette of the court.
e. Consecrated buildings. All Naval Service personnel shall observe the appropriate religious customs with regard to the wearing of headdress in a consecrated building. The one exception is that headdress shall be worn when on duty as a member of a vigil during the lying in state of a deceased dignitary or as a member of a colour party when depositing or receiving Colours.
f. Female Officers and Ratings. They are to wear their headdress when in a consecrated building at all times.
g. Parades. Headdress shall be removed, when so ordered, by all personnel on parade, except for females, musicians, members of colour parties and those who are adherents of the Sikh religion. A male member of the Jewish faith who wishes to wear a yarmulke when other headdress is removed (see Para 3825 a sub para (1)), may be authorised to retain normal headdress on parade when others remove theirs to avoid drill complications.

Your comment about standard bearers rang a bell, Blackrat. You were nearly right too.
 

cadetsmum

Lantern Swinger
thanks Joe for that ....I stand corrected!

(always ready to admit when I'm wrong........unique feature in a woman?)
 
cadetsmum said:
rosinacarley said:
cadetsmum said:
Blackrat

I thought the protocol was to take hats off (as you entered the church) but put back on going outside.

Not if you're a girl.

I think that if you are a service woman then you are expected to remove your hat / beret.

If the woman is not then she doesn't.

I have always worn my hat during church services, including a funeral that I went to in rig.
 
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