RBS 6 Nations Championship 2014

tiddlyoggy

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#2
I think I've pm'd you Sol, but unable to be certain as Dii is even worse than normal today. My prediction: England for the championship, but no Grand Slam. I do think we'll break the Welsh hex this year though at HQ.
 

Bluebird79

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#4
Welsh team looks strong so barring injury I'd predict Wales for the Championship but not grand slam. I think Ireland will be our biggest rivals. Looking forward to some serious pub/rugby time coming up.
 
#5
I'd have to agree with your forecast Bluebird, but it may be the Italians that upset the apple cart. They seem to get stronger every tournament, the opening game could be interesting, time to iron the red shirt.....
 

tiddlyoggy

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#7
Wales are a 1 trick pony that only get motivated when they play England. That's why they can't beat SH teams. If France turn up they could give England a very hard time, in Paris too so tough game game for us I think.
 
#9
What kind of things should be taken into account when assessing whether one of the teams is going to do really well? Isn't the weight of the pack relevant? If it is, which of the teams will prevail?
 

tiddlyoggy

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#10
Time will tell re one trick pony. Good pony that keeps winning the 6 Nations mind you...

I too shall be getting the red shirt out.
They are a one trick pony Bluebird. Sadly so are England at the moment, if we can't smash the opposition into submission we have nothing at all to threaten behind the pack at the moment. How Ashton has stayed in the side for so long is beyond me.
 

tiddlyoggy

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#11
What kind of things should be taken into account when assessing whether one of the teams is going to do really well? Isn't the weight of the pack relevant? If it is, which of the teams will prevail?
There are so many factors to consider Sol. It would take me far too long to type them all. Pack weight can be important at scrummaging, although it's more about technique than sheer bulk, and for having heavy ball carriers around the field.
 
#12
Can't we migrate this thread to Diamond Lil's so that I can say **** off?
We were asked for predictions, not a half arsed lecture. "Pack weight can be important at scrummaging...". Really? Well shiver me timbers!
 
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tiddlyoggy

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Indeed Wrecks, how very dare I answer a question that Sol addressed to me, or give a half arsed lecture if that's how you see it, though I struggle to see how anyone could construe that as a lecture. May I offer you traditioinal advice Bandy that if the content of a thread is not to your taste then don't read it. But please do enlighten us with your wisdom: if pack weight is such a critical factor why do French front rows, which are often lighter than their NH counterparts regularly get the better of them? Why don't directors of rugby simply hang around outside their local weight watchers club to recruit their props? Oh and if weight was the key in forward play, why did Simon Shaw get so few caps for England earlier in his career when he was almost 2 stone heavier than he was later when he became a regular? Hmmm, I wish I had your insight into this rugby lark.
 

Ageing_Gracefully

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With the changes to how the scrums are policed and managed being brought in time for the 6N, weight of pack might be very important. There is a move to get the ball put in straight rather than fed to the second row (or No 8 !) and to get the hookers doing their job and hooking. So we might get back to the small, stocky hooker again actually being supported by the props (clue in the name there) actually competing for the ball.

A lot of course will be down to the quality of referreeing , which IMO, has not been great for the past couple of seasons.

BTW England's plans will go adrift after being cuffed on 1/2/14. I will watch the game but predict a home win, a bunch of commentators talking as though there is only one team on the park and a media frenzy post game asking for a return of the death penalty!
 

tiddlyoggy

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#17
AG, the move to put the ball in straightis not being enforced, it has ever been thus that it should be put in straight. Yes, there is more awareness of it now and hookers are meant to hook the ball rather than the SH presenting the ball to the 8's feet, but it is simply not happening and poor refereeing consistently leads to the scrum being a lottery or a question of who can gull the ref more consistently. WRT weight of the pack, or more pertinently the tight 5, a front row with a better technique should still out scrummage their opposition, regardless of law changes. It could be argued that bulk is perhaps more important for the second row.
 

Ageing_Gracefully

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#18
Height is the second row requirement these days for line outs. There are new guidelines on scrimmaging for this 6_N and it will be good to see if we have refs strong enough to keep the packs within the Laws. I am happy to see some of the cheats getting a 10 minute rest if it curbs ( some) of the cheating currently the norm.

Scrums are potentially dangerous places which cheats who don't bind properly, drag down scrums and other nefarious tricks, make that much more dangerous - and game killing!

The idea nowadays is force your opponent to make a mistake and take the penalty. Gone are the days when the scrum was the plastfortm for open back play. In my humble opinion!
 
#19
I sometimes get the impression that fewer points are scored in the modern game via tries than used to be; tries as in the ones scored by Rory Underwood, that kind of thing. For me that was one of the great thrills of rugby, watching someone fly down the pitch leaving his hapless, wretched opponents floundering in the mud as his heels sped away from them.

Why is it that fewer points are scored now via tries? Have I got the wrong impression?
 

tiddlyoggy

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#20
At risk of being criticised for answering your question Sol; defences are far better drilled these days with specialist coaches teaching patterns and a couple of team members tasked with ensuring that the team adheres to their defensive positioning and sytem. Defense can be equally entertaining to watch as tries though. A debilitating tackle (look at Jash Lewsey against Matt Rogers on youtube) is as thrilling as a try IMO.
 

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