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RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval air

scouse

War Hero
Re: RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval

:roll: :roll: The House of Lords beckons??? Westy will have a mate!!!! Baron Torpy of Ely no doubt :roll: :roll: Another dit from RAF Chief Sir Glenn Torpy backs Prince William's helicopter jaunt ... Prince William has been backed by the head of the RAF after he landed a Chinook helicopter in girlfriend Kate Middleton's back garden.
 

R077

MIA
Re: RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval

oberon said:
Tosser!

Maybe someone should remind this crab that the FAA was formed before the gay-boys in crab blue.

Doesn't leaving the FAA with nothing but helicopters essentially mean that you are effectively neutering your jet strike capability in terms of range? (assuming they would now fly from dedicated RAF bases on-land) Considering that aircraft of the STOVL ilk are intended to be flown and operated from carriers within range of a given target thus eliminating a significant cost in terms of flight fuel and time, removing these craft would be tantamount to negating the purpose and justification for the new CVF carriers as well as the U.K's overall strike capability and force projection..

Is he single-handedly trying to undermine the future progress/aims of the RN? He seems perfectly pleased with the Typhoon but the second the FAA/CVF try to steal some of the thunder with their new toys out comes the dummy!

Would like to hear some of the more learned opinions on this. :?
 
Sadly, this is the sort of inter-Service sniping that could result in some really swingeing rationalisation, e.g. the RAF being abolished (defended only by those deluded enough to believe it defended Britain single-handed against German invasion in 1940) and its assets divided between the Services that actually use them in theatre, i.e. the Army and the Royal Navy. Didn't he say "No sacred cows"?
 

YouAreHavingALaugh

Lantern Swinger
Re: RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval

This is nothing new,

This was being proposed in one of the may armed forces reviews back in 2000,

Air 2000 was to integrate the FAA and the crabs.

Had a great time winding up the flight onboard.
 

danny

War Hero
Re: RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval

If value for money is need for the public. Then suerly its the RAF that must be looked at greatest. I know a few people who have been in the RAF for over 5 or 6 years and have not got an op tour to there name. They just seem to mince around the south of England doing very little. Also does this mean that the RAF regiment should be given to the Army? I mean the RAF is about flying jets. The army on the other hand is about boots on the ground. Although im sure they woudnt agree with this.
 

SEP86

War Hero
Let us not be distracted from the real issue here. That is making sure we put forward the right arguments to actually get the CVF in the first place. That is our biggest worry, not the colour of the uniforms being worn by the aircrew. CAS, IMO, trying to provoke us into responses that make us out to be protectionist and backward looking, if the politicians and public are allowed to form this view it will colour our very valid arguments for CVF. (Versatility, Flexibility, Power Projection, No need for Host Nation Support etc, Ability to PREVENT conflicts before they start thus stopping us getting bogged down like we are now). Do not fall into his trap.
 

scouse

War Hero
SEP86 said:
Let us not be distracted from the real issue here. That is making sure we put forward the right arguments to actually get the CVF in the first place. That is our biggest worry, not the colour of the uniforms being worn by the aircrew. CAS, IMO, trying to provoke us into responses that make us out to be protectionist and backward looking, if the politicians and public are allowed to form this view it will colour our very valid arguments for CVF. (Versatility, Flexibility, Power Projection, No need for Host Nation Support etc, Ability to PREVENT conflicts before they start thus stopping us getting bogged down like we are now). Do not fall into his trap.
:roll: :roll: It will serve us well to be" backward looking" Re Strike Aircraft Carriers of years ago, when the navy packed a punch on the world stage. PS CVF is no longer the " okay buzz word" its now HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Queen Elizabeth :wink: :wink:
 

wurz

Lantern Swinger
Guy is obviously a stroker (Crab after all)! That said more rationalisation is pretty much an obvious direction to go in, only not necessarily the way he would like it to happen.
 

metimmee

Midshipman
Re: RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval

CAS is lookng after his Service, after all thats his job. Like someone else has said, you just have to put your case forward and win the arguements.
 

scouse

War Hero
Re: RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval

:wink: :wink: Known Fact!! in the FAA. that Crabs, aircrew and groundcrew. Dont like life onboard a Flat Top. :roll: :roll:
 

witsend

MIA
Book Reviewer
Someone will have to educate a sundodger, I know bugger all about the FAA and even less about the crabs. Whats the differance between the RAF or FAA taking off from a airfield and landing on a carrier to undertake a deployment?
 

SEP86

War Hero
scouse said:
SEP86 said:
Let us not be distracted from the real issue here. That is making sure we put forward the right arguments to actually get the CVF in the first place. That is our biggest worry, not the colour of the uniforms being worn by the aircrew. CAS, IMO, trying to provoke us into responses that make us out to be protectionist and backward looking, if the politicians and public are allowed to form this view it will colour our very valid arguments for CVF. (Versatility, Flexibility, Power Projection, No need for Host Nation Support etc, Ability to PREVENT conflicts before they start thus stopping us getting bogged down like we are now). Do not fall into his trap.
:roll: :roll: It will serve us well to be" backward looking" Re Strike Aircraft Carriers of years ago, when the navy packed a punch on the world stage. PS CVF is no longer the " okay buzz word" its now HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Queen Elizabeth :wink: :wink:

You are right that the past does of course hold lessons for the future, but be in no doubt that the only way to get even just HMS QUEEN ELIZABTH on her own, never mind both HM QE and PoW will be to know how they will fit into the FUTURE and convince the politicians that they will serve the POLITICAL needs of the next government. I have no doubt that we can, but just because it is obvious to those of us with a naval bias, don't assume that it will be to anyone else.
 
witsend said:
Someone will have to educate a sundodger, I know bugger all about the FAA and even less about the crabs. Whats the differance between the RAF or FAA taking off from a airfield and landing on a carrier to undertake a deployment?

The FAA will find the carrier, land on it first time and not ask where the nearest five star hotel is. If it's a weekend, night time or the weather is bad, the RAF won't be flying anyway.
 

metimmee

Midshipman
scouse said:
witsend said:
Someone will have to educate a sundodger, I know bugger all about the FAA and even less about the crabs. Whats the differance between the RAF or FAA taking off from a airfield and landing on a carrier to undertake a deployment?
:wink: :wink: Be my guest. The crab is the jockey in 030 :oops: :oops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bW7tjy7AOk

Yes those well practiced FAA pilots did very well, and the RAF seconded pilot had to land away. Anyone know if that particular pilot got the hang of carrier landings?

Naval_Gazer said:
witsend said:
Someone will have to educate a sundodger, I know bugger all about the FAA and even less about the crabs. Whats the differance between the RAF or FAA taking off from a airfield and landing on a carrier to undertake a deployment?

The FAA will find the carrier, land on it first time and not ask where the nearest five star hotel is. If it's a weekend, night time or the weather is bad, the RAF won't be flying anyway.

Haha and Heron is a real hive of activity at the weekend.
 

scouse

War Hero
Re: RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval

Oh Yes!!!! After the nicey nicey debrief, on camera by Little F ,and the squadron C/O for the crab Pilot. :roll: :roll: Off camera a right good old bollocking,and dressing down FAA Style followed :cry: :cry: They had Yanks as well as Crab pilots on the Buccaneer Squadrons :wink:
 
Re: RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval

R077 said:
oberon said:
Tosser!

Maybe someone should remind this crab that the FAA was formed before the gay-boys in crab blue.

Doesn't leaving the FAA with nothing but helicopters essentially mean that you are effectively neutering your jet strike capability in terms of range? (assuming they would now fly from dedicated RAF bases on-land) Considering that aircraft of the STOVL ilk are intended to be flown and operated from carriers within range of a given target thus eliminating a significant cost in terms of flight fuel and time, removing these craft would be tantamount to negating the purpose and justification for the new CVF carriers as well as the U.K's overall strike capability and force projection..

Is he single-handedly trying to undermine the future progress/aims of the RN? He seems perfectly pleased with the Typhoon but the second the FAA/CVF try to steal some of the thunder with their new toys out comes the dummy!

The point is the UK still gets JSF but the RAF fly them. Probably with RAF fighter controllers onboard etc.

To be frank part of the reason the RN is in this mess is the RAF understand Whitehall much better and the RN at a senior level did very little for years to defend organic maritime air power. A very senior flag officer involved has made public comment to the effect that he couldn't see why people were so fussed about what uniform the people flying the aircraft wore. It's all very late in the day for the Navy to start kicking up a fuss.

Much as I personally believe the Navy should retain maritime strike, you seldom see the Navy actually making the case for this, and there's not much ever said on this forum other than 'Crab this, Crab that, we were around when dinosaurs ruled the earth.' The latter may be true, but the bottom line is no-one outside the RN gives a ****.
 

SEP86

War Hero
Re: RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval

[/quote]

The point is the UK still gets JSF but the RAF fly them. Probably with RAF fighter controllers onboard etc.

To be frank part of the reason the RN is in this mess is the RAF understand Whitehall much better and the RN at a senior level did very little for years to defend organic maritime air power. A very senior flag officer involved has made public comment to the effect that he couldn't see why people were so fussed about what uniform the people flying the aircraft wore. It's all very late in the day for the Navy to start kicking up a fuss.

Much as I personally believe the Navy should retain maritime strike, you seldom see the Navy actually making the case for this, and there's not much ever said on this forum other than 'Crab this, Crab that, we were around when dinosaurs ruled the earth.' The latter may be true, but the bottom line is no-one outside the RN gives a *.[/quote]

So there is someone else who sees the point!
 
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