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Quick Officer question regarding grades

Thenzon

Midshipman
Yep thats the exact role I have been looking at along with some others, but that would definately be the first choice :)
 

soleil

War Hero
I did think that those two would appeal to you!

Listen, all applicants have to sit a test as part of their application; there's a thread on here which gives all sorts of useful advice on how to do your best - check it out:

http://www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=15723.html

By the way, the Careers Offices do a Group Presentation every week, where they show a DVD and answer all sorts of questions. What about contacting your local one and seeing if you can squeeze in on their next one? I can give you the telephone number, if you like.

One more thing; there are waiting lists for practically every job in the Navy at the moment; it would be in your interests to get the ball rolling as soon as possible.
 

Thenzon

Midshipman
yeah, im aware of the waiting lists etc, but I really just wanted to see to some minmal queries I had about the officer roles, but I think the questions have been answered to what I needed to know, and yeah I am going to drop into the local office sometime soon, and as for the waiting list it can be a good thing to get more time into the essential skills needed such as lifeskills and improving fitness :)
 

soleil

War Hero
Thenzon said:
yeah, im aware of the waiting lists etc, but I really just wanted to see to some minmal queries I had about the officer roles, but I think the questions have been answered to what I needed to know, and yeah I am going to drop into the local office sometime soon, and as for the waiting list it can be a good thing to get more time into the essential skills needed such as lifeskills and improving fitness :)

Make it quicker than sometime soon. A) The time you have to wait for your Entry Date is set from the date you sit the test, so the sooner you do it, the sooner you get in B) The CAs get busier and busier as the academic year progresses, so get in now before everyone else does.

Seriously; give them a call tomorrow. Ask for a place at the Group Pres.
 

Thenzon

Midshipman
But bearing in mind im still in my college? or does this have nothing to do with signing up to Raleigh yet?
 

soleil

War Hero
Thenzon said:
But bearing in mind im still in my college? or does this have nothing to do with signing up to Raleigh yet?

Loads of people start the application process while they are still at college. It's the sensible thing to do, to be honest. This way, you can be in the queue for a place to do Basic Training at HMS Raleigh while you are still working towards your qualifications. Does this make sense?
 

Thenzon

Midshipman
Right okay sorry im not too famiular with the whole application process. I think I will be alright at Raleigh though, I used to be in the Army Cadets a while ago so I got a breif understanding of how it will be (i think :/) hehe
 

soleil

War Hero
There's a lot between now and your start date at HMS Raleigh; best to concentrate on the elements of the application process which you will be going through during the next few months, rather than something more distant.

As well as your psychometric test (read that link I gave you), you will have an interview for which you need to prepare and a fitness test for which you, well, need to be fit! There's a medical and an eye test as well.
 

Thenzon

Midshipman
yep read up on all of that, right so i need to get into gear and get down the office straight away then! and thank you for the time helping out im sure it will benefit others, and also really quick replys :)
 

soleil

War Hero
You're welcome; would you like their phone number, so that you can ring up and ask them when they do their Group Presentation? You can always let them know when you ring that you would like a one-to-one chat with one of the CAs afterwards. This way, you get extra value out of your trip down there.

Not a bad idea to ring anyway, especially if we are talking about one of the smaller AFCOs; it's easier for them if they can schedule you around their testing sessions etc.
 

IS-Potential

Lantern Swinger
Ok I'm about to start BRNC as an IS officer so I will give you my view on my experience.

You NEED a degree in an IT related subject, I did a 3 year degree which is the bare minimum the RN wants. I didn't have 180 UCAS points, but I do have 2 HNCs and an HND in IT related subjects so I was allocated a waiver based on those qualifications, took a while but it came through in the end.

However the 5 passes at GCSE level are non negotiable though as far as I am aware.

Hope that helps :)

Only issue I found was trying to talk to anyone who actually works within IS, even on my Potential Engineering Officer Candidate Acquaint, I didn't get the chance to talk to anyone within the branch, so all I have to go on is what is in the careers leaflets. It would have been really helpful to my understanding of the role, if I had had the opportunity to talk with someone from IS face to face. I'm not the only one who feels that way either, IS is a bit of a nightmare to get information about generally.

Just a bit of feedback if anyone working within the careers offices reads this (N_S?)
 

Thenzon

Midshipman
ok, thanks alot, I want to join as a Rating, but as i have said i was just curious to the ucas points, as it seemed abit low requirements for a officer where most courses at university are like, 240 - 280. But now i cleared that up theres nothing to worry about haha, Thanks for the information though - and good luck :D
 

soleil

War Hero
Thenzon said:
ok, thanks alot, I want to join as a Rating, but as i have said i was just curious to the ucas points, as it seemed abit low requirements for a officer where most courses at university are like, 240 - 280. But now i cleared that up theres nothing to worry about haha, Thanks for the information though - and good luck :D

The 180 UCAS points only really allow you through the starting gate, as far as applications for Officer go. The real challenge is getting through the AIB.
 

Thenzon

Midshipman
yeah i would of thought it would be a sort of filtering system and then they will look at the degree / background education for them to process further
 

lonestar

War Hero
Thenzon said:
yeah i would of thought it would be a sort of filtering system and then they will look at the degree / background education for them to process further

No, it is not a CV based application. Your performance is assessed face to face at the Admiralty Interview Board.
 

Teutonic_Taffy

Lantern Swinger
Thenzon said:
yeah i would of thought it would be a sort of filtering system and then they will look at the degree / background education for them to process further

In a way, yes, inasmuch as the AIB is the filter system. To use a crap analogy, your degree buys you a ticket to the dancefloor, but you have to strut your moves yourself.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
IS-Potential said:
Just a bit of feedback if anyone working within the careers offices reads this (N_S?)

Good point. Got a meeting with the head honcho in this area coming up soon, so will give the feedback, with regard the brevity of Officer factsheets.

To be honest, my personal view is that we have got serious problems with too few people passing AIB - think it's down to about 30% at present.

There are a variety of possible causes for this, partly because a lot of educational establishments offer truly crap careers advice - they are more focused on generating revenue by creating value-less qualifications rather than preparing people for the workplace as well as educating them with regard pertinent qualifications.

For out part, my thoughts are that the RN (not AIB themselves) assumes too much with regard Officer candidates. Yes, there's an AIB DVD (very good too) and there is a page or so on the RN website about AIB, an out of date AIB leaflet & that's it. There is no single point of reference offering comprehensive guidance for Officer applicants - ACLOs will relate their experience of AIB "x amount" of years ago, Careers Advisers don't even visit the AIB or witness one, let alone get taught very much on the subject on the CA3 course or Careers Advisers Update Briefs, so everything is shrouded in mist, myth & secrecy - an archaic outward perception that unless you're in the "secret circle" or funny handshake gang, you ain't privy to what happens.

The thing that irks me the most is the very lazy attitude often heard in AFCOs: "Potential Officers should take the initiative, use their officer-like qualities & find out themselves rather than expect all the answers". It's almost as inane a comment as those writing a report using the generic lazy phrase: "Not enough attention to detail" Aaargh, typical old-school FOST logic - the retort being "specifically where?".

That said, I did like the following quote :wink:

Teutonic_Taffy said:
To use a crap analogy, your degree buys you a ticket to the dancefloor, but you have to strut your moves yourself.
 
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