Questions about pilot training.

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  1. Hi,

    I've looked everywhere for some info on certain aspects of the pilot training but there is nothing detailed. I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction or give me some info on;

    - AIR 424 survival package

    - Aircrew warfare course

    - The different aircraft (e.g. Lynx (Mk.8)/commando (Sea King mk.4)/ASW (Merlin)) specialisation courses which occur after aircrew warfare course.

    - Lynx AIR 287

    - Initial Sea Safety Course

    - SERE (Survive Evade Resist Extract)

    I have searched the forums and googled each of these but all I could find was general info if anything at all. I couldn't find anything on the Navy website either.

    Hope someone can help;

    Thanks in advance.
  2. Take baby steps!

    When is your first flight? Which Sqn are you going to?
    Are you accepted to be pilot or observer?

    You have all the course numbers but none of the details, why?

    Take baby steps, all will become apparent in due time!

    Btw which paper do you write for?
  3. We can't go on together with suspicious minds :D

    Dandy. :wink:
  4. To be fair to the original poster, he/she is just trying to do as much research for interview/AIB questions as possible, with every man and his dog wanting to become a pilot it is admirable that they want to be as well prepared as possible to better their chances against the competition. ACLOs are forever telling applicants to learn as much as they can about their early career path so for you to tell them not to bother about these things without justifying it is a little patronising.

    I would imagine you would not have to know any details of what is covered on individual courses, they will be more concerned with the order that these things occur, the timeframe they fit into, relevant locations and the various pass/fail/streaming points you will go through.

    Good luck!
  5. Ha ha I've not been accepted for anything yet.
    I have all the course numbers but none of the details because that's all I can find on the navy website.

    Ummm why would a paper what to know these details, plus I'm sure if they wanted to know them they would have better ways than posting on here.

    Anyway cheers for your responses, i'll try not to get too bogged down in details at this stage then.

  6. I suggest you start to walk before you run.

    Concentrate on being accepted and passing the many aptitudes then start to worry about the more detailed stuff. Trust me there are many - many stages between now and an Air Warfare Course that you can be chopped, (removed from training).

    Calm down and try putting your best foot forward and one step at a time.

    And good luck.
  7. Cool cheers for the advice, I was just going to learn the info to be better prepared for Sift and AIB as lonestar said, but I guess that's going too detailed.
  8. Like what?
  9. For starters you have to be accepted.

    Then, probably the biggest stumbling block, medical. You have to be A1.

    Pass every test. You can be removed from training at any stage if you don't come up to the mark.
  10. Hi James,

    Like most of the posters here, I agree that you don't need to know what any of these courses are, because:
    1) They are a long way ahead for you if you haven't done AIB/Aptitude tests (now called SIFT are they?).
    2) All the courses will have changed name/number/content by the time you get to them anyway :wink:

    Unlike most of the posters here, I will tell you what these courses are because:
    1) They are not state secrets.
    2) You asked and you can't have too much knowledge about a future career.

    AIR 424: Sea Survival (from an aircrew perspective), Dunker, Basic land survival (SERE A).
    Air Warfare Course: Some radar, technical and doctrinal theory to underpin your flying training.
    ISSC: Sea survival (from a fishead P.O.V), firefighting, CBRNDC training (see Damage Repair Instructional Unit).
    SERE: This is your survival training. Now split into 3 parts:
    A - Survival
    B - Evasion/Extraction
    C - Evasion and conduct after capture i.e. resistance to interrogation
    Lynx AIR 287: Not sure where you've got this from, it's a misc course for current lynx aircrew.
    Post Air Warfare Course specialisation course. We call these Aircraft and Operational Conversion Courses i.e. your wings course (because you get your wings at the end). These are the big one really, lots of flying, training, long days etc. They last from 8 months (Jungly) to 18 months (Merlin).

    I hope that this has answered your questions. I must emphasise though that you don't need this really. Flying training is a long game, the trick to getting through is concentrating on getting through what's in front of you. Maybe have in the back of your mind what's next. This means for you:
    1) How do I concentrate on passing my aptitude tests?
    and maybe
    2) What can I do/improve to make myself a better candidate at AIB?
    and maybe
    3) If I was told that only Observer or ATC was available, would I take it?
    Good Luck
  11. Goldensky

    Thank you for clarifying that in such detail for JG.

    The "Sift" to which posters are referring is actually not a new name for the FATS/AIB, but is rather an individual component of the Officer application process. It consists of an interview, early on in the candidate's application, with the ACLO at his/her AFCO, and acts, one might say, as a gateway to the other components further down the line and, ultimately, to the AIB. The ACLO thus has the ability to "sift" candidates in or out of processing.

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