Questions about joining up and university education.

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  1. Hello everyone,

    I am currently in the middle of a MSc in the field of game engineering. I went through school and sixth form, straight into university, graduated with a first, then went straight back to do a MSc.

    However, I'm not enjoying this MSc at all, sitting working in a basement doing integration and writing programs isn't what I want from my life at all. I can cope with the pressure and the hours but I would like for it to actually mean something other than shaving a few milliseconds off some loading screen.

    So anyway, my actual question is, how much is having an MSc (even in an extremely specialist field), going to help with trying for a commision, (which is what I'd like to try for eventually)? I walked into my local AFCO and got a few pamphlets and the forms for sitting the recruit test, but the recruiter wasn't so sure about it, I already have a good regular degree separate to the masters.

    I don't want to be on this course, I want to get on with it if you know what I mean, it's something that I've wanted to do for a long time, is it going to be something that holds me back if I decide to drop out and get on with joining now, working on fitness and so on?

    Many thanks in advance for your responses
  2. It sounds gash, I'd **** it off straight away. Having a masters might give you a slight advantage above your fellow applicants but that's about it.

    Spend the time making yourself an attractive candidate in other ways, get massive down the gym, develop yourself as a leader, go travelling, get some work experience, make yourself a more interesting person to talk to etc.

    Your aim is to stand out, do this not by being just another bloke who's spent his life in education, but being the bloke with some epic dits and an air of confidence about himself.

    I'm not an officer by the way so everything I just said might be complete horse shit.

    Hope this helps.
  3. Actually on second thought, maybe you should stay at uni.

    No one likes a quitter.

    What the **** is 'game engineering' anyway? It sounds like the sort of degree they'd offer at Walthamstow Polytechnic.
  4. **** sake 2Deck you thick?
    Everyone knows game engineering is getting teams together for paint balling. Durrrr
  5. My sister did a degree like that, she spent three years on the piss, going to fashion shows in New York and Milan, to gain a batchelors in Fashion Journalism.

    Now she works in a call centre.
  6. Whilst this goes against every bone in my body, I kind of support 2DD's first thesis. However, having a MSc (regardless of the subject) does prove a series of things to the RN: you have the intellectual capacity to support Masters level education/research; you have the dedication to complete said Masters and you have shown that you are able to organise yourself.

    Does having a MSc in Game Engineering help being a Naval Officer, does it ****. Can you join without it, of course. Does joining with it give you a bit of an edge, possibly. I'd suggest you stick it out (you only have a couple of months left), whilst expanding your horizons away from the computer screen in prep for the AIB. There's loads on both the AIB and various specialisations (I would presume either WE, Warfare or Logs would be your first choices). If after an extensive search feel free to come back and ask further questions!
  7. I would not quit. Sets a bad impression.
    Apply to join and go from there.
    Its not about what degree you get. Its about how you apply your university education.
    Very few people work in the field for which they studied.
    I say go for it but don't drop out. They will wait then snap you up.
  8. ...if you meet the many other criteria.
  9. UBC

    Welcome to Rum Ration.

    In which subject is your first degree?

    What are your A Levels in?

    How old are you now?

    When does your MSc finish?

    When you wrote:

    "I walked into my local AFCO and got a few pamphlets and the forms for sitting the recruit test, but the recruiter wasn't so sure about it"

    what did you mean? What was it that the recruiter wasn't so sure about?
  10. My first degree was in Computer Science from Newcastle University, lots of programming, maths and so on, I did my dissertation in fluid dynamics on Cell processors if that helps, CS is a different subject to IT.

    My A Levels were in Maths, Politics and Computer Science, and i'm 21 at the moment, and will be 22 next month.

    I spoke to the recruiter, he was ok the only thing was he said the person who deals with officers/commisions wasn't there at the moment (I did show up un-announced at the AFCO).
  11. As of Sept you will gain nothing in terms of starting position within the RN with your MSc as it is all changing. However there is a life after the RN and having your MSc may open more doors for you. If it was me I would probably just crack on while the process of joining up is going on.
  12. Of course. That goes without question.
  13. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    OP - up until recently the MSc might have been useful for gaining a little additional seniority upon joining but that's now ceased and in reality it didn't really help apart giving you a small pay increment over your peers.

    If the modelling/simulation aspect of the game MSc floats your boat there is an in service MSc which is targeted at the synthetic environment aspect of military engineering (simulators and virtual environments) and the WE branch do load people on that.

    Since the first post I've wandered our corridors and subsequently chatted to a WE who has done the MSc and worked in two posts (around 5 years) in the synthetic field - he's a firm believer its a burgeoning field as we seek to drive down costs but still deliver realistic training and there are apparently operationally linked opportunities too but not something we could embellish upon here.

    As for your first degree, if you want to use that and are interested in the broader field of ICS then joining as a WE probably isn't a bad move. Your degree will qualify you for WE (in recent years it wouldn't have) and there is a fledgling career path for an ICS professional in the WE branch. It's not properly embedded yet (we are working on that) but there is a basic roadmap and a lot of opportunity, dare I even mention the word "cyber".

    As I've said ICS is a wide field and the WE branch is I believe your best bet for working in this field within the RN, but even as a general WE you should find the career interesting. Have a look online, speak to your AFCO, see if they can arrange an acquaint - if they do, ask the people you meet about first stage (general WE) career and second stage (specialising - Radar/Comms/ICS/Explosives/Synthetics) opportunities.
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  14. Hi guys,
    I'm a new member on here as I was searching the internet for advice and found this forum, it's been extremely useful so thankyou to all!
    Anyway, I am going in for my PEDA in June and I was wonder if anyone had some advice, it would be a huge help for me!
    Plus I got talking to a guy from the TA and he was saying that I could join the TA until I am able to join, i didn't think I could so any help on that too would be great.
    Sorry if I posted in the wrong place.
    Thanks in advance.
  15. As others have said , stick your degree out. Will get you off to a bad start at SIFT/AIB if you couldn't even stick uni out, whether the degree matters or not ... in any case i'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
  16. I disagree with you there 2cool. I am leaving University at the end of this academic year after two years, with a HED. (Higher Education Diploma) I've had many a chat with my Careers Advisor on the subject of leaving before gaining a degree, and he assures me that as I am not going for an engineering job and am able to articulately explain my reasoning at SIFT/AIB, I should be fine. (I'm going for Warfare Officer Submarines.) I had my SIFT yesterday and garnered 'a solid pass.' As long as you can explain your reasoning for leaving before finishing you should be fine. The fact you've already got one degree will obviously go for you as well.

    That said, if you're only just starting the process now, by the time you get an entry date you'll probably have finished your Master's anyway, so you mayaswell stick with it.
  17. I see what your saying sogz, but I just think it seems daft not to stick it out that bit longer - as many have said you can be applying whilst gaining your degree and kill two birds with one stone if you start studying for your service knowledge well in advance it will take very little out of your day if your worried about it interfering with your study for a degree
  18. I agree with you 2cool, if it's a question of staying at uni while you go through the process of joining or chining it off and sitting around with your thumb up your arse while you go through the system, it is daft not to stick with it.
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