Question re old Articifer Apprentice rate.

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  1. I had a mate at school who joined up as one of these, late 70's (Probably '78) but he opted out because a GI kept beasting his Class on the Raleigh 'Assault' Course! :lol:
    My question though; was their part one at Raleigh then trade training at Sultan or elsewhere and did they waer a smally PO type rig as my memory insists they did, rather than a normal Jack rig.
    And finally did they on completion of all courses get made up to LH or PO?
    Thanks for any help.
    Confused of NZ.
     
  2. Yes Po type rig and then straight to P.O.
     
  3. Oh they did there trainining across the road.
     
  4. Cheers Johne.
    I always thought what a silly sod he was, for a enduring a bit of pain he'd have had a great start he'd hjave had in the RN.
    Even more suprised when I saw the course at Raleigh after doing the RM one several times. :? :wink:
     
  5. Re: Question re old Artificer Apprentice rate.

    I joined in '77 as A/A became OEA/A (later WEA/A)

    One year HMS Fisgard (across the road from Raleigh)
    One year Collingwood
    One year Sea Training (employed as a WEM on a ship)
    Back to Collingwood for about 18 months, rated LH
    Drafted to a unit (ship or shore) then advanced to PO

    Issued with Senior Rate's style rig from joining

    Similar style career path for MEA and AEA but with some differences after Fisgard
     
  6. Cap badge was similar to PO but without laurels and was red if I remember correctly. Some training done at Sultan and some at HMS Cochrane near Rosyth. Good number to give up. Met some GIs in the 60s and some frightening buggers, but not really cruel, just an appearance of it.
     
  7. Thanks gents. :salute:
     
  8. Joined Fisgard as an artificer apprentice in 1966 for a 1 year part one training.
    Uniform number one was fore & aft rig Serge suit with black buttons.Cap badge was red.

    On completion of part one exams & trade tests , in the last few weeks of that year you got a new number one doeskin rig with brass buttons. Cap badge still red.

    My part two was at Caledonia, for 2 years 8 months, still as apprentice, with same no. one rig,same red cap badge

    First sea draft was still an apprentice , still same no one rig.

    On being rated to Leading rate( after about 9 months),you still wore the same no. one rig , red cap badge.No distinguishing rate badege at all.

    About 9 months later having passed Fleet board , rated PO,
    Same no. one suit , with PO buttons on lower edge of jacket sleeve, and PO cap badge.

    About another 18 months having passed Fleet board, rated CPO, same no one suit , CPO badge and cuff buttons

    Some GI threw thunder flashes at us ,on our assault course( at Raleigh) because he thought we could move faster--- we did!
     
  9. That's some fast track promotion route, still I bet you earned it.
    Thinking on it my school mate probably joined in '77 at 16 1/2-17, would that age be right for AA?
     

  10. Not that far off what some AETs are acheiving now with the requirement for LAETs!!

    Yep, you could join if you were 16, up to 21 (if I remember corectly), although you could apply for an age waver if over that age; I have a lad of 24 in my entry.
     
  11. Sep 83 joined Raleigh A/A (Arfificer Aprentice)
    Jan84-Dec85 Collingwood WEA/A
    Jan-Dec 86 Sea Time WEA/A
    Jan87-Jan88 Collingwood LWEA
    Apr 88 Rated A/POWEA prior to Sea Draft
    Apr 89 Rated POWEA
    May 90 passed fleet board for CPOWEA
    Apr 91 Rated CPOWEA
    7.5 years from civvy to CPOWEA
     
  12. When I joined in '01 tiffs had stopped wearing PO's rig and had the same kit as everyone else with the exception of a red cloth beret badge. I believe the change was in '97. Phase 1 training was in Fisguard Sqn, a separate building at Raleigh, and was for 10 weeks instead of 8 compared to everyone else. During the final two weeks the orange rank tabs were swapped for RN ones with a piece of grey cloth and certain leave privileges were allowed.

    After passing out, the WAFUs and Stokers went to Sultan and the WEs went to Collingwood for around 3 years with a bit of sea time thrown in. At the end of the 3 years you got your Killicks and went to sea again. Within a year or two of this you'd get your POs and within 2 or 3 years of that you'd get your Chiefs. So providing you didn't fail anything and cracked on with your task books you could expect to have your buttons within 7 or 8 years of joining up.
     
  13. Rouge!

    I think it was around 98/99 they started getting baby tiff's to wear JR rig without branch badges, I recall seeing tiff's in PO's style rig in 97/98 but I remember the baby tiff's on board in 2000 with the collar and cap.

    I'm sure someone will let us know soon enough.
     
  14. In the 70s it was still called "Class 3 uniform" (fore and aft rig), as worn by Tiffy Apprentices, junior rates S&S, SBA, and Coders.
    All except tiffies changed to "Class 2" (square rig) between 1957-61, by which time Coders had been phased out, and SBAs had become MAs .
    When serving in "Ulster" 1958-60, I had both rigs and wore either to suit the occasion.

    2BM
     
  15. NZB,

    I’m surprised that no-one has yet remarked on the mis-spelling of â€Articifer†in your thread title.

    Whether intentional or not whenever Art. was spelled, or spoken, that way it was once guaranteed to wind up or upset most of those sensitive souls.
     
  16. (granny)

    (granny) War Hero Book Reviewer

    I was Parade Staff at HMS Fisguard in 1962/3. What fun we had with all these 'Wannabe' Tiffs. Actually it was one of the quietest numbers I ever had. Then the B'stards sent me to Royal Arthur on the Leadership course. That was tough, Jan/Feb out on the Black Mountains around 'Cwm Yoy' (did I spell that correctly?)
     
  17. Re: Question re old Artificer Apprentice rate.

    We had fun with the parade staff as well.
    Scenario, my new entry class on the parade ground , being taught how to change step at the double.
    Instructor CGI was almost pensionable and unfit.
    Sorry chief, didn't quite see that etc, show us again please, etc etc . .We had the poor sod so out of breath we had an extended impromptu stand easy.
    Ace.

     

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