Question About The EU

sweeney

Lantern Swinger
rosinacarley said:
I believe, and I am open to correction on this, other citizens cannot just get benefits willy nilly. This would be conditional. However I cannot advise you as to the nature of those conditions. You should be wary of mixing citizens of the EU up with (illegal) immigrants who have considerable greater rights to benefits.

right thanks for that comrade. So the sweeeny sprog benefits are coz I am a brit? Its all tops mind. I like getting free stuff (except of course that my tax is paying for it)!
 

fido

MIA
rosinacarley said:
Ok lad herr goes - you do know that normally I would charge for this sort of stuff!

1. There are four freedoms which are sacrosanct in the EU - free movemnet of goods, of persons, of services and of capital.
2. I shall not bore with a lecture on the others but will concentrate on the free movement of people.
3. It is a right enshrined within the EC Treaty, of which we are a signatory and which has been brought into UK law by various statutes including the European Communities Act 1973
4. A brief synopsis is that freedom of movemenjt requires the abolition of any discrimination based on nationality in respect of employment, salary and conditions of work and emplyment. There are exceptions by way of public policy, public security or public health.
5. There is also a concept of European Citizenship which gives each citizen of the union the right to move and reside freely within the terrtory of the members states, subject to limitations and conditions laid down by the European Treaty. (eg think about the supposed limit that will be placed on the Romanians/Bulgarians)
6. There is also a right for the workers family to have right of entry and residence
7. There is a right to equal social and tax advantages as national workers
8. Finally, you will be glad to note, that there is harmonisation of provisions governing entitlement to social security benefits as necessary to support free movement of workers and requires arrangements to be made for aggregation of entitlement contributions made in member states and for payment of benefits whilst in member states

That is a rather wordy explanation but I guess you would like the bottom line, any citizen of the EU can live and work in any other member state of the EU.

I believe, and I am open to correction on this, other citizens cannot just get benefits willy nilly. This would be conditional. However I cannot advise you as to the nature of those conditions. You should be wary of mixing citizens of the EU up with (illegal) immigrants who have considerable greater rights to benefits.

Thanks Rosinacarley - that's a pretty good summation which cuts through the crap of Eurogarbage. The problem as I see it is that those in developed European Nations (UK, France, Germany et al) don't want to go and live or work in newly entered (and arguably underdeveloped nations) and resent their nationals coming here. Perfectly understandable when you you work out that what is really resented are non-EU residents (Somali, Moroccan, Nigerian etc) illegals who are bypassing immigration laws and scooping up oodles of benefits to the detriment of UK taxpayers - it is irresponsible of the press to continue to supress the real identification of those who are taking advantage.

On a further note - a neighbour of mine employed two Polish men to strip and reroof his large shed last summer - they worked for two days (0800 - 1700 each day) and he paid them fifty quid for the job - exploitation or what!
 
fido said:
Thanks Rosinacarley - that's a pretty good summation which cuts through the crap of Eurogarbage. The problem as I see it is that those in developed European Nations (UK, France, Germany et al) don't want to go and live or work in newly entered (and arguably underdeveloped nations) and resent their nationals coming here. Perfectly understandable when you you work out that what is really resented are non-EU residents (Somali, Moroccan, Nigerian etc) illegals who are bypassing immigration laws and scooping up oodles of benefits to the detriment of UK taxpayers - it is irresponsible of the press to continue to supress the real identification of those who are taking advantage.

On a further note - a neighbour of mine employed two Polish men to strip and reroof his large shed last summer - they worked for two days (0800 - 1700 each day) and he paid them fifty quid for the job - exploitation or what!

I hope your neighbour isn't a policeman, politician or lawyer, or their professional career will be at an end! :lol:

Just a further note to Rosie's excellent summation. The Schengen Agreement arose as part of the Treaty of Amsterdam whereby Member States agreed to implement Community Law enshrined in the Treaty of Rome, to allow the free passage of citizens of Community Member States. It entered into force in 1995.

More detailed information is available from below:
http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l33020.htm
 

Jack77

War Hero
It seems to me, as an outsider, that the EU must have seemed like a good idea when it consisted of only wealthy western european countries. Now that membership includes eastern shitholes like Romania, Poland etc. its all turning rapidly to custard.
 
Tartan_Terrier said:
You need a residents permit to live in some European countries (including the UK, funnily enough, but it doesn't seem to be enforced).

In Spain you have to apply for a resident card after you have been here 6 months. This in fact is not any type of permit to reside but a standard ID Card as carried by all Spanish Citizens. You need it to use a credit card or pay a cheque (PIN machines have yet to catch on), when stopped by the Police etc. You can of course carry your passport 24/7 and claim you have not been in the country for 6 months. But if you wish to purchase a car you need to have a Padron (short name) which is a bit of paper to show you are registered at that address at the town hall. To purchase any large(in cost terms) item you need a NIE (National Economic Number). This is all residents of what ever Nationality.

Nutty

PS this card includes your finger print
 
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