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Pussers Rum - Help !

RINGO

Midshipman
To echo previous posts, the biggest scandal was the EXTRA TIN we were allowed whilst Senior Rates could carry on getting silly!

Who had more responsibility, an R.E.L. or an R.E.M.?
Who was more crucial to a Weapon System, a C.R.E. or an L.R.E.M.?

My memory may be letting me down, I seem to remember, a Service wide "tin rattle" ( entirely voluntary ), when "LeKwanu" pegged it and the amazement on our D.O.'s face when he realised the depth of feeling!
 

2badge_mango

War Hero
Hi Hornblower,
For ALL the gen on Naval rum, plus a good selection of dits, IMHO you can do no better than a book by Captain James Pack OBE RN, entitled "Nelson's Blood" (The story of Naval Rum). 190 odd pages, full of interesting facts and figures. The edition that I have was published 1995 and I bought my copy in Dillons, but, since it is a Royal Naval Museum publication I imagine it would be widely available.
The ISBN reference is 0-7509-1082-8, and it cost the princely sum of
£8-99 (in 1995).
Well worth a read, and a handy reference book.

2BM
 

Redsailor

Lantern Swinger
Just responding to Maxi_77's comments on the failed liberalisation of booze that was supported by senior Ruperts prior to the loss of the tot. I don't doubt for a moment that were many senior staff who saw the benefits in continuing the custom. But I can't for the life of me see the comparison he makes between the officer class of the day with that of ex-Ganges boys of the same era.

Admittedly, the latter were a product of a long and harsh training regime and as such, were liable to be more anchor faced in attitude than most other matelots when it came to bull and tradition. I have known Ganges boys who aspired to exemplary and meritorious service in the Andrew and some even became captains of industry on their re-emergence into Civvy Street. On the other hand, I have also seen the Ganges boys who fell by the wayside and did their fair share of DQ's and punishment, often to be dismissively described by their DO's as "simply reverting to type." for any momentary lapses in behaviour.

Let's not kid ourselves; it was a class thing back then. The country itself was just learning to deal with the advent of the proverbial 'working class hero' and wondered how the establishment could effectively deal with him and put him firmly back in his place. 'Teamwork' was not the service watchword back then in terms of common respect and appreciation being extended to the lower decks, as is the case in today's navy.

The naval officer most certainly had not been subjected to the same kind of rigid discipline and rough treatment at Greenwich or at his subsequent training establishments. He was usually a product of a middle or upper class social upbringing (unless he managed to come up via the hawsepipe) and came from a more affluent and sheltered background than the majority of those ratings under his control. Having been a Ganges boy is not a social stigma my friend, but rather, a badge of honour proudly worn by those who came through its trials and rigours, all the stronger for going through the fire.

So, as one myself, I do take exception to being pigeon-holed with those of the officer fraternity (circa 1955 -70) and being described as having an equivalent attitude to naval tradition and service life as that held by them.
We were not social equals nor were we ever considered by them to be their mental ones either . Just wanted to put the record straight Maxi, but I won't let that stop me sharing a tot with you one of these days. So - Up spirits and stand fast the Holy Ghost!

Bottom Gun
 
It's obvious from the responses that the shares in Unwins are set to break new records!
I can't answer the specific question but can recommend a rum that will blow your blue woollen socks off!
It is pure Guyanan proper navy rum and made by St. Austell breweries.
The damn stuff should carry a health warning. I haven't had the stuff for years but my memory of its' name is still vague, which shows it must be good. Alongside the same breweries 'Falling down beer' it makes an early end to any evening out.
ps Dark rum is made by adding burnt sugar to the original light coloured rum.
I lived briefly in Guyana and used to make the stuff. Trust me my friends it is to be treated with enormous respect. The monkey hand stew was another topic...........!!!!
 

Father_Famine

Lantern Swinger
Maxi_77 said:
Nutty said:
The rum was nice and made the occasion but the Bunhouse and Chuffs and Puffs continued their social life just as before 31/07/1970 but took away the only social event the Junior Rates had and attempted to placate the troops by saying you can have three cans of beer a night which on your average D/E boat meant you could have beer for 6 or 7 days before it was all gone if all took their allocation. I cannot except the argument that high tech equipment needed sober people when the Officers and S/Rs manning that equipment both at sea and in harbour had access to alcohol and them that did not handle such kit had their's taken away with no suitable recompense(that does not mean cash) or the TOT being given when ashore or alongside.

That was my complaint at the time and ever since.


Nutty

I do agree, and whilst it may have been a step to far to go from the tot which was reasonably regulated if large to fully unrestricted access to alcohol I do think we should have been able to make more progress over the intervening 35 yeatrs than we have. The rules for senior rates were whilst apparently OK just as stupid as the 3 cans a day. In theory they had to drink their allocation every day when us pigs wanted them to join us in a no spirits at sea regime, yet if they did by the rules they lost their allowance for every day at sea. Sevral boats resorted to double sets of books, the real ones which allowed the mess bill to be worked out and the official one that ensure we only recorded their 'daily' tot.
I really do think a real opportunity to change on board drinking for the better was lost.

Surely not, MAXI what are you suggesting? There are corrupt Bar Managers out there.................. :eek:ccasion9:

I seem to remember as a POCA being instructed what to chit for on a daily basis which would then allow a "free" bar at the PO's Social when alongside :hippy2:
 
Father_Famine said:
Maxi_77 said:
Nutty said:
The rum was nice and made the occasion but the Bunhouse and Chuffs and Puffs continued their social life just as before 31/07/1970 but took away the only social event the Junior Rates had and attempted to placate the troops by saying you can have three cans of beer a night which on your average D/E boat meant you could have beer for 6 or 7 days before it was all gone if all took their allocation. I cannot except the argument that high tech equipment needed sober people when the Officers and S/Rs manning that equipment both at sea and in harbour had access to alcohol and them that did not handle such kit had their's taken away with no suitable recompense(that does not mean cash) or the TOT being given when ashore or alongside.

That was my complaint at the time and ever since.


Nutty

I do agree, and whilst it may have been a step to far to go from the tot which was reasonably regulated if large to fully unrestricted access to alcohol I do think we should have been able to make more progress over the intervening 35 yeatrs than we have. The rules for senior rates were whilst apparently OK just as stupid as the 3 cans a day. In theory they had to drink their allocation every day when us pigs wanted them to join us in a no spirits at sea regime, yet if they did by the rules they lost their allowance for every day at sea. Sevral boats resorted to double sets of books, the real ones which allowed the mess bill to be worked out and the official one that ensure we only recorded their 'daily' tot.
I really do think a real opportunity to change on board drinking for the better was lost.

Surely not, MAXI what are you suggesting? There are corrupt Bar Managers out there.................. :eek:ccasion9:

I seem to remember as a POCA being instructed what to chit for on a daily basis which would then allow a "free" bar at the PO's Social when alongside :hippy2:

Not corrupt at all, we just like many ran to local rules and made sure the paper work that went inboard kept inboard happy, and at the same time we grew a sense of responsible drinking in the senior rates mess, the real problem was there was no real mechanism where we could flow the same sort of routine into the junior rates.
 
Redsailor said:
Just responding to Maxi_77's comments on the failed liberalisation of booze that was supported by senior Ruperts prior to the loss of the tot. I don't doubt for a moment that were many senior staff who saw the benefits in continuing the custom. But I can't for the life of me see the comparison he makes between the officer class of the day with that of ex-Ganges boys of the same era.

Admittedly, the latter were a product of a long and harsh training regime and as such, were liable to be more anchor faced in attitude than most other matelots when it came to bull and tradition. I have known Ganges boys who aspired to exemplary and meritorious service in the Andrew and some even became captains of industry on their re-emergence into Civvy Street. On the other hand, I have also seen the Ganges boys who fell by the wayside and did their fair share of DQ's and punishment, often to be dismissively described by their DO's as "simply reverting to type." for any momentary lapses in behaviour.

Let's not kid ourselves; it was a class thing back then. The country itself was just learning to deal with the advent of the proverbial 'working class hero' and wondered how the establishment could effectively deal with him and put him firmly back in his place. 'Teamwork' was not the service watchword back then in terms of common respect and appreciation being extended to the lower decks, as is the case in today's navy.

The naval officer most certainly had not been subjected to the same kind of rigid discipline and rough treatment at Greenwich or at his subsequent training establishments. He was usually a product of a middle or upper class social upbringing (unless he managed to come up via the hawsepipe) and came from a more affluent and sheltered background than the majority of those ratings under his control. Having been a Ganges boy is not a social stigma my friend, but rather, a badge of honour proudly worn by those who came through its trials and rigours, all the stronger for going through the fire.

So, as one myself, I do take exception to being pigeon-holed with those of the officer fraternity (circa 1955 -70) and being described as having an equivalent attitude to naval tradition and service life as that held by them.
We were not social equals nor were we ever considered by them to be their mental ones either . Just wanted to put the record straight Maxi, but I won't let that stop me sharing a tot with you one of these days. So - Up spirits and stand fast the Holy Ghost!

Bottom Gun

The big things the ex Ganges boys and the Pigs in the wardroom had in common was firstly they were both human believe it or not, and they were both in general immensely loyal to the service. I never saw an upper yardy or and SD suddently change his class on elevation, they were still the same people. The Andrew like any other military service is hierarchical, that's the way it is, during the Victorian period I would agree the way your place in the hierarchy was determined was very class based but even by the start of WW2 this was breaking down and the speed accelerated in th 50s an 60s.

I must admit that I saw the class war as a struggle by the far left to keep the working man repressed as if the working man realised that the only thing that stopped his advancement was himself, then support for the far left would evaporate, but then I was a young cynic in those days.

Look forward to the tot.
 
Always_a_Civvy said:
whitemouse said:
.............

I've been feeling sorry for your poor ear and hearing loss since you first regailed us with that dit. Still, I'm sure your third pint daily Milk Ration more than compensated you..... :lol:

Sorry AAC - must be my age, repeating myself... :oops:
 
whitemouse said:
Always_a_Civvy said:
whitemouse said:
.............

I've been feeling sorry for your poor ear and hearing loss since you first regailed us with that dit. Still, I'm sure your third pint daily Milk Ration more than compensated you..... :lol:

Sorry AAC - must be my age, repeating myself... :oops:

Sorry AAC - must be my age, repeating myself..... ;P
 

bobgene

Newbie
this was propably Bunderberg and Australian rum, RNZN used mainly British Rum but did on occassion use Bunderberg Not nearly as good as the rel thing. Pussers Rum available in a lot of countries in the Blue bottle tastes exactly like the Rum Ihad during my time in pussers Gene the rum rat
 
I heard that the Army landing craft crews of the RCT (now part of the RLC) continued receiving their tot after its demise in the RN. Does anyone know if this was true and whether it still applies?
 

2badge_mango

War Hero
Lived in a PO's mess with POM(E)s and Tiffs in the 60s. Tiffy metal bender had made the brass bar lock, fitted with a huge padlock, which was tested by several over-efficient duty POs, and occifers on many occasions.
When keys were collected, and returned, lock was cleverly dismantled,
pint poured, bar returned to locked status. One of the gland spaces, which was chest deep in water, was our extra beer stowage. Two sets of books were kept, and "mess bottles" were kept in lockers to conserve rum not required for consumption at sea, for later use.
In my three seagoing commissions as a Senior Rate, it was normal routine --- how else would you spread the untaken sea allowance (2 pints + [later] 3 units) to cover an evening's entertainment in harbour?
Having been entertained in Army messes, which seemed to be entitled to drink until dawn and beyond, we felt slightly underprivileged, and acted accordingly. Very few people, in my experience, would jeopardize these
self acquired "perks", and those who would were swiftly put in their place by their peers.
As Maxi has said, not corrupt, just keeping the system happy.
We were, in the main, responsible people with responsible jobs, and anyone who stepped outside the boundaries was swiftly brought to task.
I see no reason why it shouldn't work today - you are , after all, much cleverer and more dedicated, than us rum soaked oldies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2BM
 

Old_Bill

Badgeman
Maxi_77 said:
Father_Famine said:
Maxi_77 said:
Nutty said:
The rum was nice and made the occasion but the Bunhouse and Chuffs and Puffs continued their social life just as before 31/07/1970 but took away the only social event the Junior Rates had and attempted to placate the troops by saying you can have three cans of beer a night which on your average D/E boat meant you could have beer for 6 or 7 days before it was all gone if all took their allocation. I cannot except the argument that high tech equipment needed sober people when the Officers and S/Rs manning that equipment both at sea and in harbour had access to alcohol and them that did not handle such kit had their's taken away with no suitable recompense(that does not mean cash) or the TOT being given when ashore or alongside.

That was my complaint at the time and ever since.


Nutty

I do agree, and whilst it may have been a step to far to go from the tot which was reasonably regulated if large to fully unrestricted access to alcohol I do think we should have been able to make more progress over the intervening 35 yeatrs than we have. The rules for senior rates were whilst apparently OK just as stupid as the 3 cans a day. In theory they had to drink their allocation every day when us pigs wanted them to join us in a no spirits at sea regime, yet if they did by the rules they lost their allowance for every day at sea. Sevral boats resorted to double sets of books, the real ones which allowed the mess bill to be worked out and the official one that ensure we only recorded their 'daily' tot.
I really do think a real opportunity to change on board drinking for the better was lost.

Surely not, MAXI what are you suggesting? There are corrupt Bar Managers out there.................. :eek:ccasion9:

I seem to remember as a POCA being instructed what to chit for on a daily basis which would then allow a "free" bar at the PO's Social when alongside :hippy2:

Not corrupt at all, we just like many ran to local rules and made sure the paper work that went inboard kept inboard happy, and at the same time we grew a sense of responsible drinking in the senior rates mess, the real problem was there was no real mechanism where we could flow the same sort of routine into the junior rates.

I can vouch for this. I ran the SR's mess bar on a certain Porpoise class SM many moons ago. The only problem was I had to keep all the extra bottles of spirits in my seat locker in the mess.

This was fine until one day alongside in Blockhouse we had a surprise visit from HM Customs demanding to audit the SR's bar books and stock. Both sets of books were in my locker which I had to open very carefully and hope the Revenue man didn't see all the bottles. I also had to hope to f**k that I produced the correct set of books. I sh*t myself.

Thankfully all went OK and I remained a SR and bar manager, and said revenue man went away happy.
 

Scran_Bag

War Hero
Naval_Gazer said:
I heard that the Army landing craft crews of the RCT (now part of the RLC) continued receiving their tot after its demise in the RN. Does anyone know if this was true and whether it still applies?

I'm not able to comment on rum issues to the RCT, but the RAF Marine Branch larger launches ( Her Majesty's Air Force Vessels ) carried Pusser's Rum in the late 70's which could be issued ( and often was ) at the Skipper's discretion in extreme weather & / or arduous working conditions. The tot was issued as "neaters" to all crew members, irrespective of age.

Sadly, the Marine Branch no longer exists, being privatised in 1986. :salut:
 
Scran_Bag said:
Naval_Gazer said:
I heard that the Army landing craft crews of the RCT (now part of the RLC) continued receiving their tot after its demise in the RN. Does anyone know if this was true and whether it still applies?

I'm not able to comment on rum issues to the RCT, but the RAF Marine Branch larger launches ( Her Majesty's Air Force Vessels ) carried Pusser's Rum in the late 70's which could be issued ( and often was ) at the Skipper's discretion in extreme weather & / or arduous working conditions. The tot was issued as "neaters" to all crew members, irrespective of age.

Sadly, the Marine Branch no longer exists, being privatised in 1986. :salut:

Ah yes. I have pleasant memories of visiting RAF Mountbatten while serving in Guz. The Air Sea Rescue launches seemed like an idyllic private navy reminiscent of the old RN Coastal Forces (not that I was around during their time but I've enjoyed reading the books).
 

Scran_Bag

War Hero
Naval_Gazer said:
Scran_Bag said:
Naval_Gazer said:
I heard that the Army landing craft crews of the RCT (now part of the RLC) continued receiving their tot after its demise in the RN. Does anyone know if this was true and whether it still applies?

I'm not able to comment on rum issues to the RCT, but the RAF Marine Branch larger launches ( Her Majesty's Air Force Vessels ) carried Pusser's Rum in the late 70's which could be issued ( and often was ) at the Skipper's discretion in extreme weather & / or arduous working conditions. The tot was issued as "neaters" to all crew members, irrespective of age.

Sadly, the Marine Branch no longer exists, being privatised in 1986. :salut:

Ah yes. I have pleasant memories of visiting RAF Mountbatten while serving in Guz. The Air Sea Rescue launches seemed like an idyllic private navy reminiscent of the old RN Coastal Forces (not that I was around during their time but I've enjoyed reading the books).

You're bang on Naval Gazer - The RAF Marine Branch was something else. Not part of the real RAF, nor part of the Andrew. A private navy sums it up.

I spent some time at Mountbatten in the late 60's & had a grand time but strangely enough, my last posting ( draft to you Naval types ) before demob was as crew on the Rescue Launch at HMS Fulmar up in Lossiemouth. Very weird - a handful of RAF sailors crewing the launch who were surrounded by hundreds of Jacks who were messing about with aircraft. Surreal to say the least, but we were made very welcome & we had a great time.
 

Tanzi

Lantern Swinger
I really should log on more often. Yes, down ‘ere its Bundaberg. Bog standard 40%, “No. 3†43% and “Overproof†at 57%. But if you want something that compares to navy issue try Inner Circle from Fiji. 75.9% ABV or 151 proof in old money.

Whilst we were in Pompey dry dock had to serve as Instructional Technique School tea wetter and rum party in Vic barracks. You can guess what the afternoon tea was like – if they got any at all!

Happy days – fuzzy but happy.
 

ex-GI

Midshipman
Recently bought a 26ft yacht which is now renamed "Up Spirits". Pussers Rum is a staple onboard and is issued daily to the crew before racing. This gives them a fire in the belly which is good for racing around the buoys & girls.

I have emailed Tobias and we are attempting to gain Pussers Rum as a sponsor.

Up Spirits, Stand Fast the Holy Ghost
 

Jacque-le-douste

Lantern Swinger
During the early 60's on the Maidstone at Faslane the Victualling Jack Dusties had a gallon jar behind the bar in the Ardencaple where one of the lads was hanging from a bar maid, buy a pint get a tot for free to go with it.
 
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