My lad is going down to Raleigh in January. A bit different to my joining day. I joined in August 1976 - a rather hot summer! He's going to freeze his nuts off on Dartmoor Gonna be a scab-lifter on boats! (That's submarines to all you general service, cushy job types!) Following in his old dad's footsteps he is. Well almost. I joined general service and got drafted. He's joining straight into subs - after a shit-load of training that is. I really don't think he really understands what he's in for. Let's see he's got: 10 weeks basic training 20 weeks medical training 19 weeks ward training Plus another few weeks training for radiation monitoring. Plus however many weeks at the submarine school. Then he's got to do his "part three" training when he get's on board. Only then does he get his Dolphins and the extra cash. I reckon that's the best part of a year. Well - some things are best left unsaid. He's nervous enough as it is. Which is what prompted this post really. I wanted to say thanks to all of you for all the joining advice you have given. I've printed some of it out just to show him. By far the best advice I've seen is just "Try". Show 'em how keen you are. Don't answer back and don't whinge. Great tips for today's rather spoilt teenagers. So I'm having a great time buying his kit, looking into how things have changed. I see they're still going to Pier Cellars! How about Screasdon Fort? Still go there too? And Jupiter Point? I see no mention of that in the bumpf. Cheers, Mates.