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Promotion time line?

Hi all, I am currently waiting for my AIB date and am applying to be WO (SM). I've been trawling the internet trying to find out how long you usually stay as one rank depending on your training. i.e. how long are you an Officer Cadet and at what point do you become a Midshipman - Sub-Lieutenant - Lieutenant etc. considering the fact I’m non-grad.

On the RN web site it says promotion to Lieutenant is automatic once you complete you professional training, one site I visited suggested this was on graduating from BRNC, if so would that be after Passing out?

After searching the forums i found this:

Britannia Royal Naval College, Dartmouth
4x 7 week phases: Militarisation, Pre-IST, IST, Passing Out.

Common Fleet Time
- 4 months on a ship learning how ships are organised and operate. Culminating in Fleet Board.

Initial Warefare Officer's Navigation Course (IWONAV)
- 3 weeks at HMS Collingwood.

Specialist Fleet Time
- 6 months, generally on a small ship gaining bridge experience.

IWOC Consolidation
- One week consolidation of IWONAV and SFT.

IWOC Assessment
- One week examination phase.

Initial Warfare Officer's Course
- 4 months, including OOD course, DO course, leadership training etc ** maybe someone could explain what these abbreviations stand for?

Basic Submarine Warfare Course
- 13 weeks at HMS Raleigh.
- Includes Nuclear General Course at HMS Sultan.

Join First Boat as PT3 Trainee
- 4 months gaining Dolphins.

Non-Complement Warfare Job
- Such as CBO (what does this stand for?), 15 months attached to boat.

Frigate and Navigating Officer's Course (FNO)
- 11 weeks at HMS Collingwood, including dived section.

First Complement Appointment
- Normally as SCO (abbreviation?) initially for 12-18 months, watch about with Navigating Officer, then becoming Navigating Officer for 12-18 months.

Common Appointment / Shore Job
- Around 2 years.

Advanced Warfare Course
- 6 months at HMS Collingwood.
- Qualifies to become watch leader.

Watch Leader
- 2-5 years gaining experience.

And finally, if you're up to it / good enough...

Submarine Command Course (SMCC) - 'Perisher'
- Success leads to XO job and from there to CO.
- Failure leads to General Service jobs.
The following I have added.
- Perisher Course lasts for 24 weeks.

Basically, I was wondering if someone could explain what rank you are promoted to after the various training courses.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Generally you will be a Lieutenant Commander after completing Perisher, but it'll take a while to get that far.
 

jockgolly

Lantern Swinger
OOD - Officer of the Day
DO - Dvisional Officer
CBO - Classified Books Officer
SCO - Ship's Cryptologic Officer (about 80% certain of this)
also, as well as the above two, you also get
XOA - XO's Assistant
AOPS - Assistant Operations Officer
Hope that helps
 

lonestar

War Hero
Also bear in mind that the training structure at BRNC has changed significantly.

It now looks like:

1. Initial Officer Training is conducted over 2 terms. Each term is 14 weeks and there will be a leave period between each term. During Easter and Summer leave you will undertake External Training Activities (EXTA) including RYA sail training, Adventurous Training including parachuting, mountain leaders course or expeditions. You could even be involved with the Dartmouth regatta or assist on Combined Cadet Force camps.

a. Term 1 consists of an induction period where you will learn to wear uniform, prepare your kit, march and improve your understanding of the Royal Navy. You will undertake leadership training, including several days spent under canvas in the College grounds on Basic Leadership Development (BLD). Then you will undertake your first leadership assessment, the Assessed Basic Leadership Exercise (ABLE), which will be held on Dartmoor. You will also prepare for your second term at sea by attending Basic Sea Survival Course and spending time on HINDOSTAN, formerly HMS BRECON, which is moored on the river.

b. Term 2 features your Initial Fleet Training which involves spending 10 weeks onboard a capital ship, such as an aircraft carrier. You will spend time with each department, so you can gain an understanding of how a ship operates. The training will culminate in a Fleet Board where you will be tested on the knowledge that you have gained. On your return to the College, you will prepare for your final leadership assessment, the Maritime Assessed Leadership Exercise (MARL), before passing out of the College. Then you can proceed to your Phase 2 training establishment; for Warfare cadets this will be at the College for another term.

An alternative description lacking some detail but providing other information:
Term 1

The first 7 weeks are where the foundations of militarisation and Officership are laid. A 2 week induction is followed by 5 key pillars of ‘Maritime’, ‘Military’ (including the 518 Course – firing the SA80 personal weapon), ‘Staff’ (including Defence Writing and English training), ‘Command Leadership & Management’ and ‘Grit / Courage’. The second 7 weeks puts the flesh on the bones with more detailed instruction on navigation, boat handling, Warfare, an introduction to Whole Ship Organisation (Department structures and the running of a ship), Operational Planning, Marine Environment (Oceanography, Meteorology, Radar & Telecommunications and Ship Technology). In addition, you will complete Basic Sea Safety Course and conduct a Battlefield Tour during this term.

Term 2

The first 10 weeks of Term 2 comprises Initial Fleet Time (IFT). You will deploy to an Operational Capital Warship such as an Aircraft Carrier for IFT. Deployments can go all over the World but have included: Singapore, America, Dubai and the Mediterranean. Of course, it is not all about seeing the world and you will be expected to continue a busy training schedule including acquaints with all of the Ship’s department, Operation Planning training and undertaking various Ship’s duties. During the deployment you will live, eat and work alongside Junior Ratings, service personnel you will be expected to lead in the very near future. The IFT package incorporates a final assessment equivalent of Fleet Board. On completion of your Sea Training, you will return to the College for a final 4 weeks, comprising a final Maritime Leadership Exercise, a broadening week (appreciation of the wider Naval Service) and finally your Passing Out Parade.

Initial Warfare Officer (Foundation) Course

For Warfare officers, excluding aircrew Air Traffic Control Branches, the Initial Warfare Officer (Foundation) Course (IWO(F)) lasts for 14 weeks and includes academic training and education phases that provide a range of technological, language, strategic studies and professional subjects directly related to their careers and to prepare for future training courses. You will also have a choice of electives to undertake including: Modern Languages, English, Strategic Studies, RYA Certification, Maths and Computing, Naval Technology and Marine Environment.

Sourced from: BRNC Dartmouth - Initial Officer Training (RN Website)

The main difference as you will see is the merger of IST and CFT to a 10 week period of IFT on a capital ship in term 2. Make sure you know when you will do BLD, ABLE and MARL.

Also WO in the RN stand for Warrant Officer, the abbreviation for Warfare Officer (Submariner) is X(SM).

I think there are a few innacuracies in the career pipeline that you outlined, I am not going to pick out any specific bits because I am in your position, ie. pre AIB - but it does appear too extended: There is another thread here with some more up to date information http://www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/p=394817.html
 

SUYAIB

Badgeman
lonestar said:
You will also prepare for your second term at sea by attending Basic Sea Survival Course and spending time on HINDOSTAN, formerly HMS BRECON, which is moored on the river.

Call me Mr Picky but this is not quite correct, Hindostan is a Sandown Class SRMH - ex-HMS Cromer. The the former HMS Brecon (A Hunt Class) was converted by VT at Sandquay before being moved to HMS Raleigh (Jupiter Point)
 

lonestar

War Hero
SUYAIB said:
lonestar said:
You will also prepare for your second term at sea by attending Basic Sea Survival Course and spending time on HINDOSTAN, formerly HMS BRECON, which is moored on the river.

Call me Mr Picky but this is not quite correct, Hindostan is a Sandown Class SRMH - ex-HMS Cromer. The the former HMS Brecon (A Hunt Class) was converted by VT at Sandquay before being moved to HMS Raleigh (Jupiter Point)

Contact the RN Webmaster mate, as I said in my post, copied from the BRNC page directly.
 

Trident

Midshipman
jockgolly said:
OOD - Officer of the Day
DO - Dvisional Officer
CBO - Classified Books Officer
SCO - Ship's Cryptologic Officer (about 80% certain of this)
also, as well as the above two, you also get
XOA - XO's Assistant
AOPS - Assistant Operations Officer
Hope that helps

CBO - Charge Books Officer
 
Your career timeline post fleet training (however it is done these days) looks about right, but be prepared to hang about, or indeed sped up, at various places depending upon SM availability etc.

Watch leaders should come about 5 - 6 years after gaining your Dolphins, although this may be a movable feast, mainly on your strengths and a recommendation from your CO to attend the course. It MAY, but not will, come with a recommendation for promotion. You should expect to be a Lt Cdr by the time you finish your WL job, but again this really does depend upon many many factors (your age, requirement, length of time in post when the board sits etc).

Perisher shouldn't be attempted too early, as you need the experience to be able to make a good go of it. I would say not before 34/35, as then hopefully you will go XO, Advanced Staff and Command Course, promotion to Cdr RN and then Command. Again it depends on lots of factors, and frankly you'll know a lot more about how the RN works by that point.
 

jockgolly

Lantern Swinger
Trident said:
jockgolly said:
OOD - Officer of the Day
DO - Dvisional Officer
CBO - Classified Books Officer
SCO - Ship's Cryptologic Officer (about 80% certain of this)
also, as well as the above two, you also get
XOA - XO's Assistant
AOPS - Assistant Operations Officer
Hope that helps

CBO - Charge Books Officer

Damn, 4/6 ain't bad I suppose.
 
jockgolly said:
Trident said:
jockgolly said:
OOD - Officer of the Day
DO - Dvisional Officer
CBO - Classified Books Officer
SCO - Ship's Cryptologic Officer (about 80% certain of this)
also, as well as the above two, you also get
XOA - XO's Assistant
AOPS - Assistant Operations Officer
Hope that helps

CBO - Charge Books Officer

Damn, 4/6 ain't bad I suppose.

Never forget the vital role of the SLJO.

This only becomes apparent at secure when your XO/HOD says:

'......and by the way, can you have a go at this one that's just come in?

It shouldn't take up too much of your time - but I must have an answer in time for morning prayers.'



SLJO - The opportunity to gain points lost elsewhere. (Night leave is for wimps.)
 
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