Promotion System LH - CPO

sinbad

Lantern Swinger
Is everyone happy with the promotion system within the RNR ?
Some units seem to be v top heavy with L/Hs, POs and CPOs, from all lists.
Other Units depend on limited L/H's and SNR's to run the Divisional system, there seems to be an inbalance on the whole. I appreciate that CMR looks at the big picture but i feel the Units functionality needs to be addressed also, as we are to run our Units as a ships company ie the Divisional System, which cannot be run efficently with an inadequate number of leaders. Also how many times have you heard 'how did they get promoted' some Units have defence writing down to a T and subsequently promotions follow. Should there be fleet boards again ?
 

flipflop

Midshipman
sinbad said:
Is everyone happy with the promotion system within the RNR ?
Some units seem to be v top heavy with L/Hs, POs and CPOs, from all lists.
Other Units depend on limited L/H's and SNR's to run the Divisional system, there seems to be an inbalance on the whole. I appreciate that CMR looks at the big picture but i feel the Units functionality needs to be addressed also, as we are to run our Units as a ships company ie the Divisional System, which cannot be run efficently with an inadequate number of leaders. Also how many times have you heard 'how did they get promoted' some Units have defence writing down to a T and subsequently promotions follow. Should there be fleet boards again ?

Promotion in the RNR must be a joke, I have 1 RNR LtCdr and 2 RNR petty Officers working with me and they are all useless.
 

mazza_magoo

Lantern Swinger
flipflop said:
sinbad said:
Is everyone happy with the promotion system within the RNR ?
Some units seem to be v top heavy with L/Hs, POs and CPOs, from all lists.
Other Units depend on limited L/H's and SNR's to run the Divisional system, there seems to be an inbalance on the whole. I appreciate that CMR looks at the big picture but i feel the Units functionality needs to be addressed also, as we are to run our Units as a ships company ie the Divisional System, which cannot be run efficently with an inadequate number of leaders. Also how many times have you heard 'how did they get promoted' some Units have defence writing down to a T and subsequently promotions follow. Should there be fleet boards again ?

Promotion in the RNR must be a joke, I have 1 RNR LtCdr and 2 RNR petty Officers working with me and they are all useless.
who woke you up flip flop you knobber
 

trehorn

War Hero
Unfortunately they chop and change the branches so much in the RNR it makes it very difficult to get promotion anywhere. we have 2 PO's at our place, one a medic and one a sparker. None of them know the first thing about GSSR which leaves us instructorless.

Both of them are top blokes and this is in no way critisism of them but when something like whats happened with GSSR happens regional weekends should be set up to re train these people into something that is actually useful.

i was just getting comfortable with comms and they gave me a rifle and some rope - i struggle to tie my laces!

PS. anyone out there with these spare PO's and leading hands could they please send them to Ceres C/O HMS Sherwood. We have the people to become leading hands but unfortunatley the training sylabus means we have to go to sea as GSSR before we can do the leadership course, despite going to sea as comms several times.

Bummer!
 

Navylark

Badgeman
"Promotion in the RNR must be a joke, I have 1 RNR LtCdr and 2 RNR petty Officers working with me and they are all useless."

It's just a fair return for some of the useless Permanent Staff in the past sent out to the RTUs... :wink:
 

flipflop

Midshipman
mazza_magoo said:
flipflop said:
sinbad said:
Is everyone happy with the promotion system within the RNR ?
Some units seem to be v top heavy with L/Hs, POs and CPOs, from all lists.
Other Units depend on limited L/H's and SNR's to run the Divisional system, there seems to be an inbalance on the whole. I appreciate that CMR looks at the big picture but i feel the Units functionality needs to be addressed also, as we are to run our Units as a ships company ie the Divisional System, which cannot be run efficently with an inadequate number of leaders. Also how many times have you heard 'how did they get promoted' some Units have defence writing down to a T and subsequently promotions follow. Should there be fleet boards again ?

Promotion in the RNR must be a joke, I have 1 RNR LtCdr and 2 RNR petty Officers working with me and they are all useless.
who woke you up flip flop you knobber
Fact.....You are more than welcome to call me a knobber to my face but i guess that will involve some guts!
 

trehorn

War Hero
Now, now children. we all know that there are good and bad in all people.

Having said that i would love to see some of the RN chaps that mock the RNR come and do my job with only two hours training a week and the odd weekend here and there.

Any takers?

I've been on board ships where i know more than some of the RN lads on board and i know that i'm not fully competent in my branch.

Thats a very sweeping statement you made there flipflop. We had a PSI who left and when they checked his drawers and cupboards he had RNR paperwork hidden everywhere. And they were telling us it was our faoult we didnt get paid.
 

WarMonger

War Hero
Lets face it there is good and bad everywhere in the mob and civvy street..!!

and well bad PSI's across the RTU's, their like assholes everyones got at least one..!!
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
sinbad said:
Is everyone happy with the promotion system within the RNR ?
Some units seem to be v top heavy with L/Hs, POs and CPOs, from all lists.
Other Units depend on limited L/H's and SNR's to run the Divisional system, there seems to be an inbalance on the whole. I appreciate that CMR looks at the big picture but i feel the Units functionality needs to be addressed also, as we are to run our Units as a ships company ie the Divisional System, which cannot be run efficently with an inadequate number of leaders. Also how many times have you heard 'how did they get promoted' some Units have defence writing down to a T and subsequently promotions follow. Should there be fleet boards again ?

The problem is not simple - the RNR's role is to support the RN, not to provide ideal manning at RTCs. However, in providing support to the RN, its obviously necessary that a certain scheme of complement within an RTC is needed to maintain the Divisional System.

Should there be shortcomings in a unit's Divisional Organisation, then the Whole Unit Assessment should capture these; with respect to poor report writing again following each selection board there's a quality assessment report issued to the unit identifying strengths and weaknesses in the reports. Certainly at my last unit this resulted in training sessions for all DOs and DSRs which complemented the "Thin Blue Line" sessions very well. The feedback from the following set of reports submitted certainly reflected an improvement.

The current system has its failings, certainly, but having seen both systems at work, i.e. unit complement vs RNR scheme of complement, and in today's environment with the reduced manning levels (compared to 1990) the unit scheme of complement could not work - there's not enough real jobs in the RN to support a full specialisation scheme of complement at each unit. The alternative, I guess, would be to restrict number of specialisations offered at certain units but again this would be less than ideal.

In short I think there are the necessary "checks and balances" in the system at the moment, its just that a) they're possibly not visible to those most affected by the promotion boards selection (or not as the case may be), and b) they're not a quick fix - it could take several years for improvements to be seen.
 

Lurch

Badgeman
Well said FlagWagger.

Another problem of course is that at an RNR unit you just have whoever happens to be a member of that ships' company. If you're short of GSSR SRs then what can you do? You certainly can't draft anyone in to fill an empty billet. This is just a feature of how the RNR is.
That said there's no point in just giving up - I'd like to think that at most units we'd be able to muddle through and sort something out. That is after all how most of the RNR seems to operate and most of the time it does alright.
 

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