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Priti patel Persecution

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Priti Patel from an Indian/Ugandan background State School to reading Economics/Politics Keele/Essex Universities Plain speaking rather short female has seen off yet another of the Old School Civil Service that Good Ol' Dom wanted to see the end of --leaving with his tail between his legs.
Sir Alex Allan, one of the many advisers to the PM Harrow/Cambridge son of Baron Allan of Kllmahew was tasked alongside the Permanent Secretary (yet another harrow/Cambridge type) to look into Priti Patel's indiscretions --Speaking her Mind?
She is still there.
The other two--- retiring to their Estates with huge pensions. Good riddance!!
 

buffersduffer

Lantern Swinger
She’s kept her head down this summer, not seen much of her considering she’s Home Secretary and we’re in the middle of a pandemic, maybe this was why ?

Apparently she’s in favour of capital punishment which really does buck the trend of the softly softly approach of the last few decades, would pay to see her and Chakarbati discus the death penalty, in a cage fight !

My money would be on Priti
 

The bit that says :-

"My advice is that the home secretary has not consistently met the high standards required by the Ministerial Code of treating her civil servants with consideration and respect.
Her approach on occasions has amounted to behaviour that can be described as bullying in terms of the impact felt by individuals.
To that extent her behaviour has been in breach of the Ministerial Code, even if unintentionally."

You really think that is effective leadership?
 

slim

War Hero
For years senior civil serpents have been bullying ministers, this one turned on them and gave them some of what they had been dishing out for years.
Good on her
 

Ballistic

War Hero
She's breached the ministerial code by "unintentional bullying".

Given that she hasn't got an ounce of compassion or empathy, that's hardly surprising.

She doesn't even know she's doing it.

Horrible woman.
 

Dredd

War Hero
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The bit that says :-

"My advice is that the home secretary has not consistently met the high standards required by the Ministerial Code of treating her civil servants with consideration and respect.
Her approach on occasions has amounted to behaviour that can be described as bullying in terms of the impact felt by individuals.
To that extent her behaviour has been in breach of the Ministerial Code, even if unintentionally."

You really think that is effective leadership?

That depends on how effective the team you have foisted upon you is.

Serious hat on - sometimes you are given a group that cannot or will not go along with you, no matter how much you encourage, cajole and order. Even in the armed forces, there are some who will only do something because they were specifically ordered to do it - and sometimes not even then. That is what the disciplinary route is designed for. But you are right - there can also be a problem with how well the leader has approached it. And some people are in the rank / role because they are good at understanding what is to be done - but they don't always have the people skills to get there. Some are even just . . . well, we leave that there. But those are (hopefully now) fewer and far between.

And then there is the problem where we have the products of the culture of entitlement and right-not-to-offended who will not do what they are required / expected to do because . . . <insert inane reason based on 'umin rights or trade Union or similar here>. How do you deal with them, when a task needs done in a timely manner? We don't always have the time to give them a wee cuddle and stoke their ego - just get it done. And the frustration in dealing with some wazzocks as the deadline looms makes it harder to maintain a nice easy-going persona.

What works excellently with some team somewhere may fail spectacularly elsewhere. A good leader looks at where they are going wrong and will try to adjust accordingly, but there may no longer be the opportunity to do so because relations have gone sour and too far back to be recovered. That is not always their fault. It may be a mutual parting of the ways is best for all concerned.

And key in the statement was the "even if unintentionally". So if it wasn't deliberate, then is it the same sin?
 
Motivating a rugby team or a bunch of youngsters with a tough physical challenge is maybe the time for a swearing rant. Senior Civil Servants? OK, they may well get on your nerves and you may blow, but you then need to calm down and talk it through sensibly. It really doesn't sound like she is capable of that essential part. There are procedures for dealing with terrible performance. Having encountered 2 bullies in my career, I think the issue is, they can't handle the pressure from the next level up, and so they take it out on people below who could well be doing their best.
 

slim

War Hero
Motivating a rugby team or a bunch of youngsters with a tough physical challenge is maybe the time for a swearing rant. Senior Civil Servants? OK, they may well get on your nerves and you may blow, but you then need to calm down and talk it through sensibly. It really doesn't sound like she is capable of that essential part. There are procedures for dealing with terrible performance. Having encountered 2 bullies in my career, I think the issue is, they can't handle the pressure from the next level up, and so they take it out on people below who could well be doing their best.
Civil serpents are almost untouchable.
When they feck up they are rarely punished.
This goes for Council officers at local level.
We elect councillors who have little or no control over these jumped up non elected cretins
 
Civil serpents are almost untouchable.
When they feck up they are rarely punished.
This goes for Council officers at local level.
We elect councillors who have little or no control over these jumped up non elected cretins
So jump up and down, bang the table,shout and swear, yeh, that'll learn 'em won't it?
 

huwshpis

War Hero
Churchill knew how to deal with them.
A civil servant once wrote “Balls” on a minute then, realising that the PM would see it, crossed out “Balls” and wrote “Round objects”. Churchill circled the comment and added, “Who is Round, and to what, pray, does he object?”
 

fishhead

War Hero
The quoted report also states that the Civil Serpents were not co-operating with the Home Secretary and you can only bang your head against the wall so many times before the relief mechanism kicks in. What form that reaction takes is down to the individual's temperament and Ms Patel's medium is the raised voice expletive riddled rant. Her staff then leapt into action but not to do the work they had been asked(politely in the first instance) to try and get her removed in the hope that any replacement would be of a calmer disposition.
No one emerges from this with much dignity but it does expose the problems democratically elected people have dealing with an institution that is averse to any kind of change called the Civil Service.
 
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