Prince William's Naval Attachment?

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  1. Was the just reading the following article
    BBC News-William's Navy Posting
    When i noticed the quote from Rear Admiral Cooling saying "If we treated him like some super VIP and tailored a programme for him and walked around on egg shells, then that would be difficult."
    Earlier on in the article it said how he will spend three weeks at BRNC, and then a few days with Royal Marines, and then war games on a sub and minesweeper then off to the Iron Duke.
    Is this not a tailored programme for him??? :confused:
    Dont get me wrong i understand the need for William to undertake experience in each of the forces, and it would be unreasonble and a waste of time for him to do IOT both at BRNC, Sandhurst and Cranwell but why go to the trouble saying he wont be treated different to anyone else when he clearly is going to be?
    I'd loved to be told im wrong and set right but thats just the feeling i got from the article.
     
  2. Don't get me started where any of that plastic gang are concerned, a soapbox would be no use I need a chacon.
     
  3. Fink,How would you like to spend your life where your every action is reported on in the media?Where your every thought or comment is subject to the inane comments of idiots like yourself?
    He's got a job he never asked for and can never perform to satisfy everyone....a real thankless task....with no happy retirement to look forwards to.Perhaps a little more sympathy for the poor bastard may be in order.
     
  4. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    I think its actually a major positive event for the RN. One day he WILL be king and every week the PM of the day will visit him, when the RN needs support we will need him to remember what we do, why we do it and how we do it.
     
  5. Pity he didn`t join a bit earlier, he could have done a four month foreign service commission on HMS Illustrious. :w00t:
     
  6. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    Its his brother that does fancy dress :thumright:
     
  7. Guns

    Guns War Hero Moderator

    Please bear in mind we are talking about a serving member of the Armed Forces and the blood sucking parasites of the media will be checking in and will quite happily take quotes out of context.
     
  8. Bit harsh =) Just because I do not follow the windsor sycophant brigade it makes me an idiot.

    They are an anachronism who at the very least need to be intigrated into the human race. Do you really believe that the gold plated scroungers have any idea about how the man in the street lives and that included you.? They need to be replaced with a Head of State who has been elected by the people. He's got a job he never asked for you say, well it's simple enough if he does not like it he can resign, there are about 800 standing in the protestant line of accession so he would not be missed.

    If they want to serve in the Armed Forces they should take the risks that go with it or become the joke they are.

    If you want to support them come up with valid reasons.
     
  9. I think we've missed a trick here. We should have sent him to the Gulf where he could experience proper operations and earn a medal.
     
  10. He doesn't need to earn them, if he stands still for a couple of minutes he'll be given one. Just like his Golden Jubilee medal.
     

  11. Jeez give the guy a break, Im no royalist, but If the CDS okayed him to go and serve with his regiment in Afghan or Iraq, he would be off like a shot, which is unlike most of the young 'men' of his age group. Who are work shy, slobbish and downright pathetic.
     
  12. Who do you swear allegiance to these days when you join the R.N.?
    In the 60's, it was Her Majesty the Queen. If it is still the same routine.....enough said.....if not, off to the Vet for me, to get my RAM sorted



    I personally think the young man would be better served if he stayed with the Andrew for at least a year
    He seems to be an 'up-together' likable individual
     
  13. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    Always interested in the concept of head of state being elected by the people. The people don't put anyone up for the head of state, polititions do that, so I can see that you are any better off than under present system. President Bliar anyone.

    Those up for a change in the head of state set up frequently quote the costs involved. Do you honestly believe that a Presidential system would be any cheaper. How much does it cost to keep previous Presidents in the USA protected (and no doubt their families)?

    I am in favour of keeping the present system but would like to see a reduction in the number of "hangers on." I can't see any reason for anyone apart from the Queen, Duke of Edinburgh, Charles, William and Harry living of the public purse.
     
  14. Fink - Once again you have hijacked a thread about one of our serving members to air your gripes about the monarchy. I suspect senior members of the Royal Family meet and talk with umpteen more 'men (and women) in the street', both in front of the camera and behind the scenes, than you or I will ever do. And with their high public profiles, they are able to benefit good causes far more than if they opted for obscurity.

    You call people like me 'sycophants' for acknowledging the significant work the Royals perform for the underprivileged (e.g. tens of thousands through the Prince's Trust), the millions of pounds they help raise for other charities and the tangible support they give HM Forces. What should we call someone who seizes every opportunity to insult them, often in a highly personalised manner?
     
  15. Memory may be playing trcks but I thought we, in the RN, didnt. Thats why we can not be come Yeoman Warders (Beefeaters)?
     
  16. As the UK is a Constitutional Monarchy you can swear allegiance to Uncle Tom Cobbley, but you're really swearing allegiance to the elected Government of the day.
    You are in effect stating that you will obey the lawful commands of your superiors who have received their orders from theirs etc etc all the way up to the Prime Minister.
    The HM Armed Forces tag is used to avoid the Forces being seen overtly as the Government of the days tool, but I would like anyone to tell me the last time HM the Queen gave an order of any import or tasked a military mission.
    I readily accept that she is a very well informed and intelligent person with some influence, but I find the idea that the Forces are hers to order about and that some think this is fact frankly disturbing.
    Back on thread, good luck to William.
    NZB
     
  17. My mistake.....hence, Signing On...apols....was trying to point out that maybe Fink???? doesn't know who the Boss is. There is a clue on the cap tallies...............
    Her Majesties......





    The Sovereign is Head of the Armed Forces and only he or she can declare war and peace.

    This dates from the times when the monarch was responsible for raising, maintaining and equipping the Army and Navy, and often leading them into battle.

    But nowadays these powers cannot be exercised on the monarch's own initiative, but only on the advice of responsible Ministers. The Bill of Rights (1689) declared that "the raising or keeping of a standing army within the Kingdom in time of peace, unless it be with the consent of Parliament, is against the law".

    The existences of the Army (raised as a series of different regiments by colonels) and the Royal Air Force are legally based on the Army and Air Force Acts of 1955 and previous Parliamentary Acts. Their continued existence depends on annual Continuation Orders passed by Parliament.

    On enlistment, the Acts require members of the Army, Royal Air Force and Royal Marines (who operate ashore under the Army Act) to take an oath of allegiance to the monarch as Head of the Armed Forces.

    Those for whom it is against their religion to take oaths, and those who are of no religion, affirm instead of swearing an oath.

    The Royal Navy was formed hundreds of years ago, and its existence stems from the Sovereign's prerogative. Members of the Navy have never therefore been required to take the oath.

    The oath of allegiance is sworn to the monarch, rather than to Parliament, which might be confused with the political party in power at the time.
     

  18. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Finky, i wondered how long before your drivel would start :pukel: You state WE should come up with a valid reason to support them, i have never seen in any of your comments any reason not to, unless you count your personal bullying abuse to someone who cant defend themselves. It is a shame but you are a reflection on society of today of people who cant comment on an argument purposefully and always end up resorting to bullying. SAD SAD SAD little man.
     
  19. Just where did the BBC get its info from for this?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7429598.stm

    Navy's service hopes for William
    By Nicholas Witchell
    Royal correspondent, BBC News



    Prince William has already spent a year with the Army
    The Royal Navy was forced to bite its stiff upper lip and hide its intense disappointment three years ago when Prince William decided to follow his younger brother Harry into the British army.
    The navy had hoped that the second in line to the throne would follow the tradition established by his father the Prince of Wales, his grandfather the Duke of Edinburgh, great-grandfather King George VI and earlier generations of the Royal Family, and join the "senior" of Britain's three armed services.

    But in another example of William's determination to do things his way, he elected to don the "khaki" uniform of the Army and went off in 2006 to gain his Commission at the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst, before joining Harry in the Household Cavalry's Blues and Royals regiment.

    It was a galling experience for the Royal Navy, and particularly so at a time when - in some quarters - the relevance of Britain's maritime force was coming under scrutiny.


    A navy which, less than a century ago, was by far the most powerful in the world, seemed to have become somewhat marginalised in the post-Cold War era of regional conflicts in which aircraft and ground forces seemed to dominate.


    Notoriously hard

    Perhaps William's decision not to make the Royal Navy the first choice of his brief military career owed something to the feeling that it was no longer quite the force that it used to be.


    Yet the main purpose of William's military service is to familiarise him with all three of Britain's armed services, so that as King he can demonstrate an understanding of the ethos of the services which owe their loyalty to the Crown.

    He has spent a year with the Army - though, unsurprisingly, given his proximity to the throne, he was never considered for an operational tour of duty such as Prince Harry's deployment to Afghanistan earlier this year - and he has spent five months with the RAF learning to fly and gaining his Wings.


    He has already shown that he can cope with the physical demands of military life


    Now, finally, the Royal Navy is getting its hands on him. Oddly, though, the attachment is a short one, just two months. That, it seems, is the maximum Clarence House was prepared to allocate to the naval phase of William's military training

    In that limited time, Sub Lt Wales must learn basic boat-handling and sea-safety techniques. He will also spend some time with the navy's own air-force, the Fleet Air Arm, and the submarine service. He will be taken on a dive in a nuclear attack submarine on exercise with the fleet.



    Prince William's military career

    Then, of course, there's the navy's "army", the Royal Marines. This is the notoriously hard fighting force which William's uncle, Prince Edward, attempted to join in the 1980s. After a couple of months Edward found that the physical hardships of the training course were not to his liking. He left the Marines for a career in the theatre.

    William will have no such difficulties. He has already shown that he can cope with the physical demands of military life as a cadet at Sandhurst and he will not be joining the Royal Marines on any of their survival exercises. He will, however, be shown the Marines practising their skills as Britain's amphibious and commando force.

    Then, three weeks after he starts his attachment to the navy, the Prince will embark for five weeks at sea, aboard the frigate HMS Iron Duke.

    She is currently Britain's designated North Atlantic Patrol ship, on station in and around the Caribbean, where she is available to offer assistance in the event of hurricane damage. And, importantly, she will be spearheading efforts to intercept vessels involved in drug smuggling.

    According to senior officers, it is quite possible that William - given his army background - would be part of any boarding parties sent to search suspect vessels, in which case he would, like all the members the such groups, be armed.


    'Very rigorous'


    However, the navy is at pains to point out that the future King would not unduly be placed in harm's way. "If there's any chance of any shooting, he won't take part," said an admiral.

    But, as far as possible, Sub Lt Wales will be treated like every other member of the ship's company. In all probability he will share a four-berth cabin with other junior officers and be expected to participate fully in every aspect of the running of the ship.


    The navy is hoping to show Prince William that he made the wrong choice when he went into the Army


    "As far as the training goes, it's very rigorous because we don't have passengers out in warships for obvious reasons" said Rear Admiral Robert Cooling, Assistant Chief of Naval Staff - which was a polite way of saying that William will not be taking any naval helicopters for "joyrides" to parties, as happened during his time with the Royal Air Force.

    What does the Royal Navy hope William will get out of the experience? The official answer is that it hopes William will emerge after eight weeks with a better understanding of what the modern navy does and how it functions.

    Unofficially, the navy is hoping to show Prince William that he made the wrong choice when he went into the army, and to persuade him that he should have followed Royal Family tradition and entered the Royal Navy.
     
  20. Jimbo, Whats your point??
    I personally wasn't surprised when William decided to join the army. I was however dissapointed that our future King had decided not to join the Senior Service.
     

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