Pre recruitment medical

#1
Hi guys first time post, Just been to AFCO for my tests and been handed my med forms and eyesight voucher. I was then told that I would recieve a call from a triage nurse to go through my forms before seeing a medical officer. This seems a strange process, is this new?. My mate is joining the army and has had to produce his primary healthcare records before he can go forward for assessment. Does the navy not do this as a matter of course? I,m sure my med forms will be ok as I have nothing to hide but if in theory somebody didn't declare an old injury/illness to the triage nurse and it wasn't picked up at the medical, then somebody could enter via the back door. It seems odd that medical records are only accessed if a problem is highlighted or am I missing something?.
 
#2
Hi guys first time post, Just been to AFCO for my tests and been handed my med forms and eyesight voucher. I was then told that I would recieve a call from a triage nurse to go through my forms before seeing a medical officer. This seems a strange process, is this new?. My mate is joining the army and has had to produce his primary healthcare records before he can go forward for assessment. Does the navy not do this as a matter of course? I,m sure my med forms will be ok as I have nothing to hide but if in theory somebody didn't declare an old injury/illness to the triage nurse and it wasn't picked up at the medical, then somebody could enter via the back door. It seems odd that medical records are only accessed if a problem is highlighted or am I missing something?.
You are missing something. At some point the medical assessors will request you medical documents from your GP. If you have not done so already your permission will be requested for this to happen.
 
#3
Thanks fishead that seems fair enough. Still don't know why they don't just ask for them to be sent to the doctor. Therefore cutting out the triage stage.
 
#4
Does anyone understand what the purpose of the triage call is? Is it to save the doctor the trouble of sending off for information? If you know that there are going to be complications, which will mean a decision will have to be made by the senior medical officer senior entries, is it possible to short circuit the system and get things sent there straight away?
 

WannabeAdmiral

Lantern Swinger
#5
The triage call seems entirely pointless.

I was asked about the entirety of the sheet I was given to fill in back when I passed the RT, and I was thinking why am I being asked to tell them what's on the sheet, when I could simply give it to them.
 
#6
The triage call seems entirely pointless.

I was asked about the entirety of the sheet I was given to fill in back when I passed the RT, and I was thinking why am I being asked to tell them what's on the sheet, when I could simply give it to them.
Its relatively new, didn't happen a year ago, now so many posts talk about unnecessary delays, medical reports being batted between capita and the doctor. It just seems to be an incredibly inefficient system with no rationale? I'd really like someone to explain how it is supposed to be a worthwhile process.
 
#7
I'd really like someone to explain how it is supposed to be a worthwhile process.
....and asking an internet forum is going to produce a worthwhile response?
No matter how unworthy you feel the process is, it's the process you have to go through if you wish to join the mob.
If you are successful in your application, you will find plenty of times when you are asking 'Why am I doing this?' But then that's just life isn't it? This happens in all walks of life and is not exclusive to HMAF
 
#8
....and asking an internet forum is going to produce a worthwhile response?
No matter how unworthy you feel the process is, it's the process you have to go through if you wish to join the mob.
If you are successful in your application, you will find plenty of times when you are asking 'Why am I doing this?' But then that's just life isn't it? This happens in all walks of life and is not exclusive to HMAF
Not me applying in fact. Parent of applicant. Hence it sometimes helps to pointlessly rant on a forum. Sorry! You are absolutely right of course. I will exercise more self control in the future!
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
#9
The triage call is to discuss the content of your medical questionnaire prior to the face to face medical so that any issues can be further investigated before the full medical is booked. It is also a filter so that people who are clearly medically unsuitable for service can have their expectations managed rather than wait until the face to face bit with the Doc.

The idea is so that the Doc conducting the medical is up to speed before you arrive, rather than cause delays after. Obviously, you could still fail the med on issues not known about such as hearing, colour perception, blood pressure, dodgy ticker, hypermobility, etc.
 
#10
The triage call is to discuss the content of your medical questionnaire prior to the face to face medical so that any issues can be further investigated before the full medical is booked. It is also a filter so that people who are clearly medically unsuitable for service can have their expectations managed rather than wait until the face to face bit with the Doc.

The idea is so that the Doc conducting the medical is up to speed before you arrive, rather than cause delays after. Obviously, you could still fail the med on issues not known about such as hearing, colour perception, blood pressure, dodgy ticker, hypermobility, etc.
The question is really what to raise at this stage where someone has been told that something will need to be referred to smose for a decision, in order to reach that stage most quickly? And without having to explain something complicated to a nurse at the triage call, knowing that they will not be able to make a decision, but without being dishonest and skipping over information. If that question makes sense?
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
#11
The question is really what to raise at this stage where someone has been told that something will need to be referred to smose for a decision, in order to reach that stage most quickly? And without having to explain something complicated to a nurse at the triage call, knowing that they will not be able to make a decision, but without being dishonest and skipping over information. If that question makes sense?
Basically what should happen, is the triage nurse goes through the medical questionnaire with the applicant via a telephone call and advises whether they need more information from the GP. Once that information is received, one of three decisions is made: Book face to face Medical, advise candidate they do not meet the medical standard or refer it to the Occupational Health specialist for a decision. Occ Health will either: pass fit, advise candidate they do not meet the medical standard or refer it to the Service Entry Medical Cell and SMOSE.

If at any stage an individual is told they cannot be passed fit to enter service, they will be told why and under what circumstances they can meet the standard for entry. There is always the right to appeal but you cannot appeal the mandated medical standards for entry simply because you do not agree with the standard or think it unfair, you can only appeal if you have medical evidence to disprove the diagnosis of a condition.
 
#12
Basically what should happen, is the triage nurse goes through the medical questionnaire with the applicant via a telephone call and advises whether they need more information from the GP. Once that information is received, one of three decisions is made: Book face to face Medical, advise candidate they do not meet the medical standard or refer it to the Occupational Health specialist for a decision. Occ Health will either: pass fit, advise candidate they do not meet the medical standard or refer it to the Service Entry Medical Cell and SMOSE.

If at any stage an individual is told they cannot be passed fit to enter service, they will be told why and under what circumstances they can meet the standard for entry. There is always the right to appeal but you cannot appeal the mandated medical standards for entry simply because you do not agree with the standard or think it unfair, you can only appeal if you have medical evidence to disprove the diagnosis of a condition.
For re-entries does the triage nurse have service medical records?
 
#13
So if you pass the triage nurse and then pass the medical, does the Navy then access your primary healthcare records or do you go straight to the 4 day pre recruitment course and see the Navy doc? My mate says that GPs charge the army £60 to send medical records to Capita. Are the navy trying to save a bit of money by using the triage method?
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
#14
So if you pass the triage nurse and then pass the medical, does the Navy then access your primary healthcare records or do you go straight to the 4 day pre recruitment course and see the Navy doc? My mate says that GPs charge the army £60 to send medical records to Capita. Are the navy trying to save a bit of money by using the triage method?
Applicants sign a consent form granting access to their full medical records when they complete their medical questionnaire.

Most GP's charge for occupational health medical queries (usually between £50 upwards) for additional information regarding their patient's medical history. After the requested information is obtained, a full face to face medical is booked with a contracted medical examiner, followed by the pre joining fitness test.

The Pre Royal Navy Course (PRNC) is not booked until a provisional entry date is allocated and other than a height/weight bmi check, there is no formal medical examination during PRNC.

Those joining the Naval Service who are subsequently found to have a significant pre-existing but undisclosed medical condition upon susequent checks of their primary healthcare records during the first 56 days of Initial Naval Training will be discharged and can face disciplinary action for fraud.
 
#15
Applicants sign a consent form granting access to their full medical records when they complete their medical questionnaire.

Most GP's charge for occupational health medical queries (usually between £50 upwards) for additional information regarding their patient's medical history. After the requested information is obtained, a full face to face medical is booked with a contracted medical examiner, followed by the pre joining fitness test.

The Pre Royal Navy Course (PRNC) is not booked until a provisional entry date is allocated and other than a height/weight bmi check, there is no formal medical examination during PRNC.

Those joining the Naval Service who are subsequently found to have a significant pre-existing but undisclosed medical condition upon susequent checks of their primary healthcare records during the first 56 days of Initial Naval Training will be discharged and can face disciplinary action for fraud.
Thank you. That's all very helpful.
 

Genghis

Lantern Swinger
#19
I've just handed my med docs and opticians report back to my recruiter and been told that my medical will be in approx. 4 weeks - this is great news as it gives me more time to work on my fitness and bodyweight excersises! No issue with the length of time on this process as it gives the applicant a better amount of time to hit the gym and pound the pavement! Unfortunately admin is a big part of the mob!
 
#20
Applicants sign a consent form granting access to their full medical records when they complete their medical questionnaire.

Most GP's charge for occupational health medical queries (usually between £50 upwards) for additional information regarding their patient's medical history. After the requested information is obtained, a full face to face medical is booked with a contracted medical examiner, followed by the pre joining fitness test.

The Pre Royal Navy Course (PRNC) is not booked until a provisional entry date is allocated and other than a height/weight bmi check, there is no formal medical examination during PRNC.

Those joining the Naval Service who are subsequently found to have a significant pre-existing but undisclosed medical condition upon susequent checks of their primary healthcare records during the first 56 days of Initial Naval Training will be discharged and can face disciplinary action for fraud.
Just to clarify, if the Medical with Capita is clear, the PJFT and PRNC are passed, the next substantive medical is at Raleigh, where they will go through the recruits’ primary healthcare records with them?

Just trying to get it sorted in my head so I understand it. The boy is only 16 and just trying to work out the process.

Thanks
 

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