I'm aware of a former WOWTR who left the RN as an AB WTR, after a spell in Colchester; I think the "Get out of jail free" card of which you speak is mythical.TattooDog said:I'm also led to believe that a Warrant Officer (now WO1) cannot be reverted back to CPO or lose his/her rate. However, I don't know whether this now also applies to WO2s (formerly Charge Chiefs).
I think the historical reason for a WO in army carrying a sword is to help him protect himseld and the colour he may be carrying.Deckhead_Inspector said:Jossman, you were right about the sword untill a certain WO CTORN decided that as his opposite number in the Household Divison wore a sword as well as carrying a pace-stick he should too. All fine and dandy when a great coat is worn but impossible otherwise. When I asked him how he would manage to do this he coughed and spluttered and marched off muttering some thing about "effing smart ar*e officers." This man managed to get the rules changed. He also was responsible for getting rid of black gaiters.Probably because the army don't wear them. He said it was because there was no historical reason to keep them and his boss said that to get new ones was too expensive.
Of course the pre-1949 WOs carried swords.DingDong said:Swagger sticks, and swords for CWOs/EWOs? Sounds a bit like they are searching for some kind of identity. Also sounds like some WOs value themselves too much and think that they are perhaps more important that anyone else.
I have heard an EWO come out with "i am a HoD" before, i laughed so hard i nearly shat myself!! I think people need to concentrate on the job rather than empire/status building
All pre-1949 RN Warrant Officers had officer status and were senior to the rank of Midshipman.letthecatoutofthebag said:Over on ARRSE they are having an argument with a septic warrant officer (see http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=38830.html , http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=51661.html and http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=52375.html .
He states that they have a different status to UK WOs (RN, Army & RAF) and hold a position between elisted men (as they put it) and officers. They hold a "Presidential Commission" and are saluted by their Ratings/ Other Ranks. As such there are more akin to our pre-1950s WOs (such as Commissioned Gunners, etc) who messed in the Wardroom. He appears to be on exchange over here at the moment and he is a bit peeved that the NCOs and the like he works with do no salute him and he is messed in the Sgt's/SNCO's Mess. The ARRSErs have told him to ram it and that even if he is saluted in his own country he is not saluted over here.
My question is straightforward - did the pre-1950s RN Warrant Officers get salutes from ratings?
I have seen some Edwardian photos and our old WOs wore the same unform as officers (they had a single half stripe and wore caps with officers' cap badges) and as I said above they were messed in the WR (at Drake the Scruff's Bar is named after a WO Jago and they have his No 1 Frock Coat on display). However (as far as I am aware), they were not commissioned but warranted instead. We are taught nowadays we salute the commission and not the man - so did an old-style Warrant Officer get a salute?
Thanks in advance.
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