Portsmouth or Plymouth dockyards to close...?

bongo_jeffrey said:
I am advised that Victory building has been sold- I believe that it is one of the few parts of the yard run under DLO as opposed to WSA. I am aware that it still remains manned and in use, but for how long I do not know.


That used to be a common thing in the Navy -------sell it and then rent it back!! :lol:
 

Old_Hand

Lantern Swinger
Always_a_Civvy said:
There was a mini Debate on this in Westminster Hall (Commons Hansard: 5 Dec 2006, Col.67WH+) whilst I was off work sick. The Debate on the future of Pompey is below.
http://www.publications.parliament....061205/halltext/61205h0010.htm#06120550000005

Read the debate publication and saw the mention of training establishments in the Pompey area and that is one of the reasons Pompey should remain. I heard a rumour a couple of weeks ago that the facilities at Collingwood are going to be moved to RAF St Athans in South Wales. There was also an item on Welsh News tonight that the MOD are looking at investing billions there. St Athan has got the space to house the the training that is currently done at Collingwood. If the rumour is true then it is possible that they are looking at closing Pompey down.
 

clanky

War Hero
Old_Hand said:
Always_a_Civvy said:
There was a mini Debate on this in Westminster Hall (Commons Hansard: 5 Dec 2006, Col.67WH+) whilst I was off work sick. The Debate on the future of Pompey is below.
http://www.publications.parliament....061205/halltext/61205h0010.htm#06120550000005

Read the debate publication and saw the mention of training establishments in the Pompey area and that is one of the reasons Pompey should remain. I heard a rumour a couple of weeks ago that the facilities at Collingwood are going to be moved to RAF St Athans in South Wales. There was also an item on Welsh News tonight that the MOD are looking at investing billions there. St Athan has got the space to house the the training that is currently done at Collingwood. If the rumour is true then it is possible that they are looking at closing Pompey down.

Its quite possible to close Pompey Naval Base without affecting either of the training estabishments in the area. Though it would be great if they moved them as well.
 

Old_Hand

Lantern Swinger
clanky said:
Old_Hand said:
Always_a_Civvy said:
There was a mini Debate on this in Westminster Hall (Commons Hansard: 5 Dec 2006, Col.67WH+) whilst I was off work sick. The Debate on the future of Pompey is below.
http://www.publications.parliament....061205/halltext/61205h0010.htm#06120550000005

Read the debate publication and saw the mention of training establishments in the Pompey area and that is one of the reasons Pompey should remain. I heard a rumour a couple of weeks ago that the facilities at Collingwood are going to be moved to RAF St Athans in South Wales. There was also an item on Welsh News tonight that the MOD are looking at investing billions there. St Athan has got the space to house the the training that is currently done at Collingwood. If the rumour is true then it is possible that they are looking at closing Pompey down.

Its quite possible to close Pompey Naval Base without affecting either of the training estabishments in the area. Though it would be great if they moved them as well.

I can see where you are coming from. But I can see in the next few years or so more and more establishments will become tri-service and it would make sense to MOD to have everything in one or two locations as opposed to having them spread around the country as it is now. If they did move a large establishment like Collingwood it would certainly make it easier for them to decide which dockyard to close. And as I mentioned above, the Welsh news were saying that MOD would be looking at making at least 3,000 civilian support staff vacancies at St Athan as well as up to 5,000 military training posts there as well. It must have some truth behind it because they wheeled out Labour MP's from all over Wales to speak about it on the news. No smoke without fire eh!.
 
The Defence Training Review is looking at combining certain aspects of Army, Air Force and Navy training with a possible relocation under a Private Finance Initiative. PFI - we've seen how successful that is with the NHS and schools :roll:

Sites being considered are apparently St Athan, Cosford and Borden but no decision has yet been made - due imminently though.

The training establishment most affected will be Sultan, but how much remains in Gosport depends on which of the 2 bidders wins - probably the one that gives the highest backhander.

I can't wait to see how it affects Separated Service totals!
 

dt018a9667

War Hero
sledgehammer said:
Just one small point from another thread. If pompey is to get it in the neck,pray tell me why they are going to dredge a new channel into pompey harbour for the new big carrier?


Could it be to enhance its selling profile i.e. deep channel for big/deep draught ships, ideal for large container/ferries, liners etc? :cry:
 
Old_Hand said:
Always_a_Civvy said:
There was a mini Debate on this in Westminster Hall (Commons Hansard: 5 Dec 2006, Col.67WH+) whilst I was off work sick. The Debate on the future of Pompey is below.
http://www.publications.parliament....061205/halltext/61205h0010.htm#06120550000005

Read the debate publication and saw the mention of training establishments in the Pompey area and that is one of the reasons Pompey should remain. I heard a rumour a couple of weeks ago that the facilities at Collingwood are going to be moved to RAF St Athans in South Wales. There was also an item on Welsh News tonight that the MOD are looking at investing billions there. St Athan has got the space to house the the training that is currently done at Collingwood. If the rumour is true then it is possible that they are looking at closing Pompey down.

Closely reading the Minister's reply, I got that feeling too. The government are trying to relocate public sector jobs out of London and the South East where they are heavily concentrated (and house prices are highest). I thought it significant that the Minister mentioned the impact upon other public sector jobs. Relocating training etc to St.Athan's would make a lot of sense from a Treasury and political perspective - lots of jobs in a largely rural economy, moving public sector jobs from the expensive SE to the comparitivly poor Wales (thus facilitating lower rates of pay so as not to adversely impact upon private sector recruitment of skilled people). Closing Pompey could allow Gershon savings without job cuts - both a politically and fiscally attractive proposition I should have thought. Hopefully we will all be wrong and Pompey will remain as is - but having read Hansard I didn't get that impression. There is too much talk about saving money - this is clearly a savings driven measure.
 
letthecatoutofthebag said:
TattooDog said:
I can't wait to see how it affects Separated Service totals!

It won't - Separated Service is defined as time spent away from your base port or normal place of duty. Therefore if St Athan becomes the new HMS SULTAN, for example, and you get drafted there for a courses it becomes your place of duty and does not add to your separated service. Separated Service is not service away from your own home.

You are of course correct - St Athan will become a new Base Port for drafting. The crafty little tinkers.
 

stumpy

War Hero
The advantage of the present system is that the training places are near naval bases, so the recruits/trainees can see where they will end up. Sticking it in Wales will destroy this. also, what about when Ops Rooms crews pop up to their simulators (and I guess the same for the engineers)... for many it is a quick trip across Pompey... now it will be a long trip to Wales... meaning more time away from home. This will be especially frustrating given that this will be in their limited time at home.

A wonderful decision for the Treasury, an applaing one for the RN.

Why not sell Parliament and Whitehall and build new ones in Southern Wales? It would save a fortune, and makes more sense than having naval training miles from a naval base. I remember a Yes Minister episode where they were moaning of the number of naval personnel in Bath. The modern reality is even more bizare.

This government always says it is listening. Have they asked sailors if they want to move to Wales?
 

clanky

War Hero
Moving Sultan has been on the cards for some time. IIRC a firm date has been publicised already. Part of the CLM role has moved from C'wood to BRNC. Anyone got any figures on how dependant Pompey/Gosport/Fareham is? on MOD employment?
 

stumpy

War Hero
Another ridiculous thing is that the big advantage to serving in the RN over the other two is the possibility of more stability, ie for many several years in Pompey or Guzz. To reduce this advantage seems crazy.
 
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