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Pompey News: "Portsmouth Could Introduce A Minimum Price For Alcohol"

Patrick

Lantern Swinger
As if pompey's not bad enough! Can't be bothered going there for my future killicks course..
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
When will the country stop blaming drinking for all the wrongs that we suffer. People drink when they're pissed off. at the moment people are very pissed off.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
When will the country stop blaming drinking for all the wrongs that we suffer. People drink when they're pissed off. at the moment people are very pissed off.

I understand what you're saying, but the answer does not lay in the bottom on a bottle. When people adopt a sensible and responsible attitude towards alcohol - as they do on the Continent - then things will improve (I think this will take a generation or so before it is accepted). I have spent far too many nights on duty in places like Union Street/Guildhall Walk, and the atmosphere there is one of reckless abandon. This is not an 'age' thing - I have had my fair share of good times on the lash - but incidents which are commonplace now were unique in days gone by. This seems to be the current climate, where people are drawn to establishments that sell extremely cheap alcohol on promotion, which are not prepared to accept responsibility for their "customers" once they are out of the streets. All it does is create a sense of urban decay, as members of the public see fit to damage or deface property, be abusive to other people (including members of the Emergency Services) and generally cause mayhem to those who are able to go out and socialise quietly and sensibly. Regrettably, those that do seem to be in the minority these days.
 
I understand what you're saying, but the answer does not lay in the bottom on a bottle. When people adopt a sensible and responsible attitude towards alcohol - as they do on the Continent - then things will improve (I think this will take a generation or so before it is accepted). I have spent far too many nights on duty in places like Union Street/Guildhall Walk, and the atmosphere there is one of reckless abandon. This is not an 'age' thing - I have had my fair share of good times on the lash - but incidents which are commonplace now were unique in days gone by. This seems to be the current climate, where people are drawn to establishments that sell extremely cheap alcohol on promotion, which are not prepared to accept responsibility for their "customers" once they are out of the streets. All it does is create a sense of urban decay, as members of the public see fit to damage or deface property, be abusive to other people (including members of the Emergency Services) and generally cause mayhem to those who are able to go out and socialise quietly and sensibly. Regrettably, those that do seem to be in the minority these days.

Very well put and 100% correct - have you ever considered going into politics?
 

onions

GCM
The one thing that has always got me is the fact that the Licensing Authority will not revoke the Licenses of the establishments that provide the fuel, ie cheap promotions. Guildhall Square must have the biggest concentration of bars/clubs/pubs than anywhere else in UK. If their clientel cause trouble shut the place for a few days. The planks that get shit faced and end up in hospital should be charged for the transport and treatment provided. A pub has been ordered to close over Easter for serving an underage juvenile. The Licensee has complained that she is being vicitmised and her trade will suffer. Well, my reaction to that is TOUGH SHIT! Hopefully this will be the start of a purge of all establishments that serve alcohol to do so responsibly.

Semper Strenuissima
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
This is not an 'age' thing - I have had my fair share of good times on the lash - but incidents which are commonplace now were unique in days gone by. This seems to be the current climate, where people are drawn to establishments that sell extremely cheap alcohol on promotion, which are not prepared to accept responsibility for their "customers" once they are out of the streets. All it does is create a sense of urban decay, as members of the public see fit to damage or deface property, be abusive to other people (including members of the Emergency Services) and generally cause mayhem to those who are able to go out and socialise quietly and sensibly. Regrettably, those that do seem to be in the minority these days.

Fella, I think you may be forgetting that we are of similar age? What pisses me off is that we are all being blamed for the behaviour of the miscreants. Me and my oppos get hammered when we go out, should we have to pay more for it because some people kick off? The real problem is lack of responsibility in our country, everyone looks for someone else to blame and they don't get punished when they are found to be at fault, start locking people up and they may revise their conduct.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Not gonna disagree with you, TO. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned "responsibility" (I assume you meant 'personal responsibility'?) However I do not necessarily agree with your "lock 'em all up" stance. Police custody facilities are limited and a labourious process; why take an officer off the streets for several hours to detain an offender overnight in order to bring them in front of the Beak the next morning, who will only impose a minor fine anyway? It is unlikely that their crime is worthy of imprisonment anyway, so that is the likely outcome. So I agree with 'on the spot' penalities, which achieve the same result but allows the Officer to continue with his job and deal with "real" offences, rather than babysitting irresponsible members of the public. All the Police are really doing is sweep up the result of the lack of responsibilities of the pubs and clubs that allow their punters to end up in that state in the first place. But the public don't care about the damage to their communities, because they continue to return to these establishments, to take advantage of the 2-4-1/BOGOF deals, regardless of consequences. Onions above mentioned the Licencing Authority; this is the organisation that I believe has the real power to act, but very often doesn't for fear of upsetting the taxpayers - they are more often than not 'reactive' rather than 'proactive'. Concerned members of the public should bring the matter up with their Councillors rather than hurling abuse at the Police Officers on duty at the time, as has been my experience...
 

Beeline

Lantern Swinger
I don't think Portsmouth is overly cheap anyway? Except some student nights where Jagerbombs and Snakebite are like £1.50, but weekends especially are well pricey! But people will still get just as drunk if prices go up, probably just pre drink before they go out more, which is carnage. I think that although personal responsibility etc is obviously important, the clubs could do more, especially in Guildhall. The absolute state of some people getting into clubs, or being served at the bar is ridiculous! It is terrifying at weekends, I live down there and have to walk through to get home and even at like 11pm there is at least one fight going on, someone chundering on the road etc- don't think higher drink prices will eliminate that though.
 

Rigsby

Lantern Swinger
Just a thought - in much the same way that when a serving member of HM Forces is done for D & D conduct or similar he is reported to his employer/OC etc perhaps the same could be done for Civvys as well?

i gather most people would act differently if they new their job was at risk etc

easy to check up through NI Number to avoid all people saying that they are self employed for example

waiting to get shot down on this one
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Every organisation - including the MOD - will have some kind of disciplinary code of conduct for its employees. Depending on the nature of the offence committed by thst person and the impact it will have on the job will depend on the employers' T&Cs.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Just a thought - in much the same way that when a serving member of HM Forces is done for D & D conduct or similar he is reported to his employer/OC etc perhaps the same could be done for Civvys as well?

i gather most people would act differently if they new their job was at risk etc

easy to check up through NI Number to avoid all people saying that they are self employed for example

waiting to get shot down on this one


Or everyone could be issued with an ID card which.......... oh hang on, that got blown away, didn't it?

Fully agree with 'civvy consequentials' though!! Never happen!
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Not gonna disagree with you, TO. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned "responsibility" (I assume you meant 'personal responsibility'?) However I do not necessarily agree with your "lock 'em all up" stance. Police custody facilities are limited and a labourious process; why take an officer off the streets for several hours to detain an offender overnight in order to bring them in front of the Beak the next morning, who will only impose a minor fine anyway? It is unlikely that their crime is worthy of imprisonment anyway, so that is the likely outcome. So I agree with 'on the spot' penalities, which achieve the same result but allows the Officer to continue with his job and deal with "real" offences, rather than babysitting irresponsible members of the public. All the Police are really doing is sweep up the result of the lack of responsibilities of the pubs and clubs that allow their punters to end up in that state in the first place. But the public don't care about the damage to their communities, because they continue to return to these establishments, to take advantage of the 2-4-1/BOGOF deals, regardless of consequences. Onions above mentioned the Licencing Authority; this is the organisation that I believe has the real power to act, but very often doesn't for fear of upsetting the taxpayers - they are more often than not 'reactive' rather than 'proactive'. Concerned members of the public should bring the matter up with their Councillors rather than hurling abuse at the Police Officers on duty at the time, as has been my experience...

The "lock 'em all up" bit was something of a rant, what I mean is that they should be punished and the punishment should fit the crime, your argument in favour of on the spot penalties certainly has some merit to it and does make sense for lesser offences.
And yes, I did mean personal responsibility, why should everyone pay the price for the minority who cannot have a piss up without kicking off. Certainly, in my experience as a DO it is invariably the same people time and again, if the punishment escalated each time they re-offend perhaps they'd think twice, possibly a little naive of me to believe it, but where's the harm in trying? I wasn't a saint when I was young, but a few visits to the table soon made me start to think twice.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Tiddly: In my experience (in attending Tables as a Defaulter (!!) and as a Regulator) I have to admit that there does seem to be a decrease in personnel being charged with drink-related offences - in comparison to previous years - which is in contrast to the attitude of the general public and the availability of cheaper and greater quantities of booze. Whether this is a result of matelots/matelotesses having less money, or choosing to spend it on other things, doing it in private (e.g. in their cabins) or perhaps the lessons from Compulsory Drug and Alcohol Education presentations, I do not know. But I seem to remember my days of youth, when it felt like the only sober days were the ones you were on duty for - and that it was accepted - which were usually followed by mahossive XO/CO Tables consisting of a queue of offenders appearing for drunkenness or similar offences. I do not have the statistics to hand to substantiate that, but it is my own observation based on recent experience.
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I'd tend agree with you there. Over the last few years I have seen more people trooped for non attendance of RNFT remedials than I have for things like adrift with a baggy head etc, which have only been deemed worthy of MAA's. Purely out of interest, as a crusher, what is your opinion of MAA's?
 
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