Political Bollocks

Dredd

War Hero
The speech shows that that not all politicians in European countries are able to see beyond the principles and appreciate the reality of the EU, and it is interesting to see the reasons for Bexit being explained so eloquently by someone across the Channel who may even understand us better then we do ourselves (or at least a certain 650 of us) but this screenshot shows that she is putting her point across to a half-empty chamber - those who are not present, are they likely to be hearing the message?

Informative, nonetheless.

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And on an unrelated note - I would.
 

Ballistic

War Hero
Can anybody manage a couple of missile 'mis-fires', one for Westminster, the other for Brussels.
Er... a misfire would stay on the launcher :rolleyes:

You could aim them at Westminster and Brussels and pretend they'd gone rogue...

...but you'd have to make sure the EU parliament hadn't made their monthly move to Strasbourg ;)
 

guns1969

Lantern Swinger
Er... a misfire would stay on the launcher :rolleyes:

You could aim them at Westminster and Brussels and pretend they'd gone rogue...

...but you'd have to make sure the EU parliament hadn't made their monthly move to Strasbourg ;)
I'm sure that could be arranged at the time, Strasbourg - another waste of time and money.
 

InstaDan

Lantern Swinger
The speech shows that that not all politicians in European countries are able to see beyond the principles and appreciate the reality of the EU, and it is interesting to see the reasons for Bexit being explained so eloquently by someone across the Channel who may even understand us better then we do ourselves (or at least a certain 650 of us) but this screenshot shows that she is putting her point across to a half-empty chamber - those who are not present, are they likely to be hearing the message?

Informative, nonetheless.

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And on an unrelated note - I would.
An interesting viewpoint, good to see another side to the argument.

If you look at who she is and what she stands for however, it definitely taints her perespective (for me at least).
 

Ballistic

War Hero
Well, that was disappointing :(

I put my Brexit stocking out last night, hoping it would be filled with 40 trade deals, sunlit uplands and a blue passport but this morning it was still empty.

I'm beginning to think Father Brexit isn't real.
I heard a big boy in the playground say it's really your MP so I'm not sure anymore... :confused:
 

huwshpis

War Hero
Well, that was disappointing :(

I put my Brexit stocking out last night, hoping it would be filled with 40 trade deals, sunlit uplands and a blue passport but this morning it was still empty.

I'm beginning to think Father Brexit isn't real.
I heard a big boy in the playground say it's really your MP so I'm not surprised... :confused:
Fixed, no charge
 
From what numbers I can find, it appears that around 9/10 MPs have degrees, with most of those being in Social Science (i.e. Politics, Economics etc.), Law or Business. To say that they wouldn't have a better understanding of politics, economics, law and business than an average Joe on the street suggests you don't have much faith in our education system?

As to your last point, there is only one MP I've noticed telling me she knows how I feel over the past couple of months and that was the PM.
The fact that they have those degrees does not confer knowledge and experience within that field. Gaining their degree and then immediately starting to work for a political party does us, the electorate no favours. In most fields the term SQEP is used to define expertise and ability to do something. The Experience part is certainly missing for many MPs. For example, there is the young SNP MP Mairi Black who got elected before finishing her degree. What can she bring to the discussion from an experience point of view?

Education is fine, but it is just an enabler and gives some of the core knowledge. MPs should have to get out and work in non-political areas for a minimum time before being considered for selection. Maybe experiencing life with the average Joe would give them a better understanding of the issues and more of a feel for how Joe thinks.

Our current crop of all political flavours have made a complete cluster fcuk of the whole Brexit issue, on purpose I feel. I would not be surprised to see many deselections coming shortly.
 

InstaDan

Lantern Swinger
The fact that they have those degrees does not confer knowledge and experience within that field. Gaining their degree and then immediately starting to work for a political party does us, the electorate no favours. In most fields the term SQEP is used to define expertise and ability to do something. The Experience part is certainly missing for many MPs. For example, there is the young SNP MP Mairi Black who got elected before finishing her degree. What can she bring to the discussion from an experience point of view?

Education is fine, but it is just an enabler and gives some of the core knowledge. MPs should have to get out and work in non-political areas for a minimum time before being considered for selection. Maybe experiencing life with the average Joe would give them a better understanding of the issues and more of a feel for how Joe thinks.

Our current crop of all political flavours have made a complete cluster fcuk of the whole Brexit issue, on purpose I feel. I would not be surprised to see many deselections coming shortly.
I agree with a lot of your points, experience is a very valuable asset. I would like to see more former specialists go in to politics too such as senior doctors, economists, engineers and teachers etc.

But I do argue against you singling out one MP, who happens to be the youngest in history, for her age. The average age of the commons is 50. It's 92% white and 68% male. This is not a realistic way to represent a population, because all of a sudden middle aged white blokes get to judge and make decisions on things that they have never experienced and things they have no knowledge on. The government's approach to technology and the internet just shows how clueless that generation is with technology for the most part. We need young people coming through, true they shouldn't represent a huge part of the house, but only 2% of the house is under 29 so it's kind of a hollow argument.

People can bring knowledge and good ideas from all backgrounds and ages. Plus she was democratically elected.
 
We get the politicians we deserve......all democratically elected....authors of our own misfortune...I am sure when they first enter politics, they are full of good intentions. The insidious nature of party politics, self interest and 'the whip' with few exceptions, leaves the will, aspirations and needs of their respective constituents in the dust. Bastards, a plague on all of their houses!
 
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