Waspie
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If they don't know what their own politics are why should anyone vote for them. Tory today, labour tomorrow, Greens next week!!! Waste of space or attention seeking?
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War Hero
If they don't know what their own politics are why should anyone vote for them. Tory today, labour tomorrow, Greens next week!!! Waste of space or attention seeking?
Sumo
War Hero
No. You vote for a person to represent you, not a party, though many people don't realise this.
Waspie
War Hero
And if the person can't make his mind up what his politics are, if he's one or the other, what gives a voter the confidence he will stand for anything.
No, that's Deputy Prime Minister!
Serious hat on - I am not sure if that is just for the government / Parliament or also confers a deputy leadership role within the Party.
The contrast in how the positions are officially recorded can be seen here:
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War Hero
I would disagree with you on this. People tend to look at the party manifesto and make a decision based on that, not on the individual who stands. Or have always voted Labour/Conservative/Liberal/SNP etc. In theory you are correct, but the reality is very different unless there is a local issue that people feel strongly about.
Not that the manifesto lasts any longer than first contact with reality.
Waspie
War Hero
I have only once voted against my usual 'party' A local chap called Jim Knight, now 'Lord Jim'!! Was very pro the local area. He believed in himself and the area and did everything he said he would to improve the area. An excellent communicator who personally replied to any questions you posed to him. When his party lost the election, he had been made a Lord and stepped down. I moved back to my usual party as his successor was a clown!!
So, yes individuals do matter but it's still the party manifesto that drives any party. (Not, I know, that they ever stick to it). But hey!! That's politics!!!!
You are not disagreeing. You are pointing out what we all know.
However, the comment from rebbonk was that you are IN PRINCIPLE voting for an individual who is to be your elected representative. The fact that they may have an affiliation or association with an established political Party is secondary and not a mandatory requirement. And so is technically correct and I note that you did actually acknowledge that in your response.
What you are confirming though, is that the general populace actually believes it is the other way around. Which is illustrative of how well people understand their own governmental system (e.g. very poorly).
SONAR-BENDER
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taffscrivs
War Hero
If only it was real......
LifebuoyGhost
Lantern Swinger
That may be true in principle - but - virtually everyone standing for the main parties does so because:
They have been selected by local party members
They have had LOADS of help in canvassing from said party
They have had LOADS of cash to pay for all the material needed
stand for election - Deposit/leaflets etc
They almost certainly pushed the party line on the doorstep so
were actually committing themselves to that manifesto
I expect there are more points I could dig up but I think there’s enough to prove the point ie:
If they renege on the above, which almost certainly got them elected, then they should resign and have the decency to go back to the electorate and tell them what they REALLY believe in - and see how far they get
That is up to you to sort out before you cast your vote. I always make a point of questioning anyone that wants my vote.
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