Political Bollocks

fishhead

War Hero
It is clear that the leaders of all the mainland members of the Union enjoyed success at the polls on the back of their performance during the covid crisis. In part this is why Scotland voted in the SNP yet again. The Scottish public have at this point not questioned the SNP on how they are going to pull off the economic miracle that will be required for them to re-join the EU and the Scottish press are lacking the bottle to press them on the matter. I am certain when faced with reality rather than the SNP's hopelessly optimistic claims are exposed the canny Scots will realise they're better off with the status quo.
 

Sumo

War Hero
It is clear that the leaders of all the mainland members of the Union enjoyed success at the polls on the back of their performance during the covid crisis. In part this is why Scotland voted in the SNP yet again. The Scottish public have at this point not questioned the SNP on how they are going to pull off the economic miracle that will be required for them to re-join the EU and the Scottish press are lacking the bottle to press them on the matter. I am certain when faced with reality rather than the SNP's hopelessly optimistic claims are exposed the canny Scots will realise they're better off with the status quo.
Hopefully before it's too late?
 

slim

War Hero
If I were Boris I would give the Jocks a vote on Independence this year. Preferably as soon as possible. He should also tell the population what they will lose from financially by leaving the Union. It is approx. £2300 per head. A statement should be made that UK sterling would not be allowed as their currency and remind them just how many jobs rely on Armed forces bases situated in Scotland. Finally he should state that this will be the only referendum allowed for the next 20 years!
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
What if that other witch Von Der Leyen was to phone Wee Crankie and tell her that if Jockland gained independence they would be accepted into the EU as long as Ms Sturgeon stepped down as First Minister? Would that stop the power mad cow's gallop?

No - because Wee Nippy has stated it was her schoolgirl dream (fantasy, really) to be an independent Scotland and that is all she wants - her place in history.

The EU thing was just a ploy to be anti-Toareees and show how different Scotland is to the barstewards doon sooth.
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
If I were Boris I would give the Jocks a vote on Independence this year. Preferably as soon as possible. He should also tell the population what they will lose from financially by leaving the Union. It is approx. £2300 per head. A statement should be made that UK sterling would not be allowed as their currency and remind them just how many jobs rely on Armed forces bases situated in Scotland. Finally he should state that this will be the only referendum allowed for the next 20 years!

There is nothing stopping Scotland from using stirling as the currency - what is key though, is that it will not be backed by a lender of last resort and the economic levers will no longer take an iScotland into account as it does presently so it will have zero influence on inflationary adjustments and so on.

So when the blue-faced loons scream you cannae dae that tae us, they are right. But that is because they do not understand the mechanics involved in the promissory note in their hand or the pound sign on their app.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
It is clear that the leaders of all the mainland members of the Union enjoyed success at the polls on the back of their performance during the covid crisis. In part this is why Scotland voted in the SNP yet again. The Scottish public have at this point not questioned the SNP on how they are going to pull off the economic miracle that will be required for them to re-join the EU and the Scottish press are lacking the bottle to press them on the matter. I am certain when faced with reality rather than the SNP's hopelessly optimistic claims are exposed the canny Scots will realise they're better off with the status quo.
I'm not sure about that. There are so many 'young people' who are in full Braveheart mode and have no concept of real life - income, taxes, GDP etc and will just go with the flow. Then there are all the unemployed who also believe the rhetoric spouted forth by Krankie and co. Finally there are the idealists, who while educated, seem to have failed to fully investigate the real implications of the stuff that is being loosely proposed by Holyrood.

There needs to be some really hard talking to show folk what the real outcome will be.
 

Sumo

War Hero
I'm not sure about that. There are so many 'young people' who are in full Braveheart mode and have no concept of real life - income, taxes, GDP etc and will just go with the flow. Then there are all the unemployed who also believe the rhetoric spouted forth by Krankie and co. Finally there are the idealists, who while educated, seem to have failed to fully investigate the real implications of the stuff that is being loosely proposed by Holyrood.

There needs to be some really hard talking to show folk what the real outcome will be.
They’re doomed, then it will be Westminster’s fault for allowing it to happen.

Take back power and see how she likes being the Mayor of Scotland?
In charge of the Scottish council, No Scottish parliament, just the council building.
 

Off Caps

Midshipman
Lot of bollo(x) written here about Scotland not making it outside the UK.
5M people in Scotland, same as NZ. Joining the EU would be good for them. They would not be the smallest country, lot of smaller countries that get handouts, if needed. In NZ we tend to compare ourselves with Norway and Ireland, but strive to be like Denmark. The Isle of Man could make it outside the UK if they joined the EU
 

Sumo

War Hero
Lot of bollo(x) written here about Scotland not making it outside the UK.
5M people in Scotland, same as NZ. Joining the EU would be good for them. They would not be the smallest country, lot of smaller countries that get handouts, if needed. In NZ we tend to compare ourselves with Norway and Ireland, but strive to be like Denmark. The Isle of Man could make it outside the UK if they joined the EU
To stop their callers saying they cannot.

What the SNP need to do is put out all the documents on how they would run an independent Scotland and how it is to be funded, once they prove their master plan is viable they will swing some of the don't knows, and break the 50% deadlock.
How they will replace the approx. £2300 per head from Westminster, what promised freebies will be taken back, how high the taxes will have to go, for those with jobs.
How will and when will they be in a position to join the EU.
Spain to Veto EU membership
Have to join NATO
If they chose to use the GBP as currency, they are then still under Westminster control?
Hard Boarder with the rest of the UK.
WTO taxes with the rest of the UK, may drive business south of the boarder, more lost jobs.





Lots of things to work on before beating the Indy drum. Laws not tied to UK etc, passports, currency etc.



Scotland may be able to function as an independent but they have to convince the Scottish voters they can?
 

Off Caps

Midshipman
To stop their callers saying they cannot.

What the SNP need to do is put out all the documents on how they would run an independent Scotland and how it is to be funded, once they prove their master plan is viable they will swing some of the don't knows, and break the 50% deadlock.
How they will replace the approx. £2300 per head from Westminster, what promised freebies will be taken back, how high the taxes will have to go, for those with jobs.
How will and when will they be in a position to join the EU.
Spain to Veto EU membership
Have to join NATO
If they chose to use the GBP as currency, they are then still under Westminster control?
Hard Boarder with the rest of the UK.
WTO taxes with the rest of the UK, may drive business south of the boarder, more lost jobs.

I think you are forgetting how the UK left the EU, Scotland need to buy a bus with 300million a day on the side of it, seems to work



Lots of things to work on before beating the Indy drum. Laws not tied to UK etc, passports, currency etc.



Scotland may be able to function as an independent but they have to convince the Scottish voters they can?
 

Sumo

War Hero
I think you are forgetting how the UK left the EU, Scotland need to buy a bus with 300million a day on the side of it, seems to work

Not forgetting any of the mess that evolved from Brexit and is still on going, a lesson the SNP should have learned about telling the truth, not as they fantasise but what is in the real world.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Lot of bollo(x) written here about Scotland not making it outside the UK.
5M people in Scotland, same as NZ. Joining the EU would be good for them. They would not be the smallest country, lot of smaller countries that get handouts, if needed. In NZ we tend to compare ourselves with Norway and Ireland, but strive to be like Denmark. The Isle of Man could make it outside the UK if they joined the EU
There are smaller countries by population, 9 with a total population of 5M or less,
but how much do they receive from the EU compared to what they put in, I know it's 2018 figures but it won't have got any better

Population numbers mean nothing apart from the smaller countries are a bigger drain. Do you seriously think Scotland has the ability to be of benefit to the EU, financially?
 
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