Police State

[higthepig]

It crosses my mind that there is something wrong in the asylum, a gang of Police armed and dangerous,shoot an innocent man SEVEN times,and face no charges,not even the officer in charge is held accountable. Yet our poor little squaddie ,in a war zone, shoots the enemy and is on a charge for murder,please confirm im not going mad.

 

[FlagWagger]

It crosses my mind that there is something wrong in the asylum, a gang of Police armed and dangerous,shoot an innocent man SEVEN times,and face no charges,not even the officer in charge is held accountable. Yet our poor little squaddie ,in a war zone, shoots the enemy and is on a charge for murder,please confirm im not going mad.

My thoughts too... on the plus side, the recent arrest of Lord Levy demonstrated that we've a little way to go to a full police state.

 

[Backpacker1uk]

It crosses my mind that there is something wrong in the asylum, a gang of Police armed and dangerous,shoot an innocent man SEVEN times,and face no charges,not even the officer in charge is held accountable. Yet our poor little squaddie ,in a war zone, shoots the enemy and is on a charge for murder,please confirm im not going mad.

Only one thing more dangerous than an officer with a map and that is a cop with a gun!! Seven rounds did the knob have an epileptic attack or a nervous twitch. He vaulted the barrier yet others say he walked calmly on board not a care in the world.

Sounded like a scene from a slaughter house!!!

Yep if a squaddie riddles somebody with a burst of seven the boot would be up the rear no problemo. Call claims direct now!!!

 

[Shakey]

Seven times does seem a trifle excessive, considering he was being held down and shot in the head at the time.

Perhaps that's why the only charges are against Health and Safety breaches - indiscriminate use of a firearm in a public place firing seven times when twice would have sufficed.....

But it is galling though, serviceman shoots terrorist or criminal and is on trial for murder, coppers make mistake and shoot an innocent, no trial.

 

[Bisley]

What still worries me is that he was shot 7 times in the head while being held down, but 9 shots were fired and 2 missed.

But as you have all said if poor percy out in Iraq shoots someone he is hung out to dry and the Army hands them over with no thought at all.

 

[WarMonger]

Ah but you should know Bisley as a shotist.....apparently the two shots were declared due to change of position/snatching the trigger so they dont count to the overall score!!!

 

[Bisley]

Ah but you should know Bisley as a shotist.....apparently the two shots were declared due to change of position/snatching the trigger so they dont count to the overall score!!!

Damn snatching the trigger forgot all about that. :lol:

 

[WarMonger]

But as you have all said if poor percy out in Iraq shoots someone he is hung out to dry and the Army hands them over with no thought at all.

There seems to be a never ending catalogue of cock ups by the Army including this sort of issue, sending people into harms way without the proper intel with inadequate equipment etc etc...I wonder how much is down to the Army top brass and how much down to pressure from pencil wielding desk numpties at the MOD...I think the Ministry of Defence and a certain degree of policitcal interference is involved.....TONY!!!!

It begs the question if the grey funnel line will be as supportive when jack hands out a case of metal poisoning to some bearded nutcase on the gangway....its gonna happen sooner or later...!!!

 

[Maxi_77]

It crosses my mind that there is something wrong in the asylum, a gang of Police armed and dangerous,shoot an innocent man SEVEN times,and face no charges,not even the officer in charge is held accountable. Yet our poor little squaddie ,in a war zone, shoots the enemy and is on a charge for murder,please confirm im not going mad.

My thoughts too... on the plus side, the recent arrest of Lord Levy demonstrated that we've a little way to go to a full police state.

I some how fear the lack of action is more to protect the senior officers who put the front line coppers in an invideous position, namely having to shoot a man who was actually innocent. I personally think it would have been in the public interest for the OIC of the operation to be tried for manslaughter, as I believe the failings that caused the death of an innocent man took place in the control room.

Perhaps you could enlighten us on the squaddies who have been charged with murder for killing the enemy.

I always thought a police state was one where the government used the police to harras and suppress the opposition, whereas the arrest of Lord Levy was the result of part of the opposition harrrassing the government. Also in a police state arrests tend to be the result of a dawn raid rather than an appointment system.

Peter

 

[asst_dep_to_dep_asst]

For our Army brethren it's the fog of war, usually laced with crap intelligence. For the Met it's the fog of indecision, laced with worse intelligence, not to mention the difficulty of communicating with your leaders when waiting to shoot a suspect on a tube train.

There is only one answer, that this administration has been at pains to obstruct, and that is a full, frank and open public enquiry. Mr de Menezes' family deserves this mark of respect in their loss.

 

[janner]

The Army were involved in this, the bloke that was having a wiz whilst watching the apartments block was Army.

If you like conspiracy therories:-

1. Enquriy delays have been caused whilst the Hereford blokes go through Police Training at Hendon.

2. Menezes was an electrician, a very handy trade for a bomb maker, no further bombs since his death????????

Without going on at length about the rights and wrongs of the incident, its fair to say that Menezes' family have had far more attention than they would have done in Brazil, a country that is truly a Police State. Then theres the compensation.
Menezes's was in the country illegally and had been for some time, I wonder how much contact he had had with his family in the time He was in the UK, especially some of the 3rd cousins 8 times removed that have been popping up regularly on the TV

 

[andym]

why is it that everyone forgets one thing?HE WAS HERE ILLEGALLY!!!!Maybe the family should be sued for fraud????

 

[Leviathan]

Ok.. maybe the guy shouldn't have been shot (and 7 times with Dum Dums ffs!!), but it has to be remembered that we were at a heightened state of alert. This guy was an illegal immigrant, he was an unknown, and was obviously suspicious enough to have tabs on him.

 

[Backpacker1uk]

It crosses my mind that there is something wrong in the asylum, a gang of Police armed and dangerous,shoot an innocent man SEVEN times,and face no charges,not even the officer in charge is held accountable. Yet our poor little squaddie ,in a war zone, shoots the enemy and is on a charge for murder,please confirm im not going mad.

My thoughts too... on the plus side, the recent arrest of Lord Levy demonstrated that we've a little way to go to a full police state.

I some how fear the lack of action is more to protect the senior officers who put the front line coppers in an invideous position, namely having to shoot a man who was actually innocent. I personally think it would have been in the public interest for the OIC of the operation to be tried for manslaughter, as I believe the failings that caused the death of an innocent man took place in the control room.

Perhaps you could enlighten us on the squaddies who have been charged with murder for killing the enemy.

I always thought a police state was one where the government used the police to harras and suppress the opposition, whereas the arrest of Lord Levy was the result of part of the opposition harrrassing the government. Also in a police state arrests tend to be the result of a dawn raid rather than an appointment system.

Peter

I had a whizz bike for years!! Yes we live in a police state the police escorts pissed me off at times. While old ma Jenkins was getting mugged

Yet now I phone plod when the car is getting trashed and my call is in a Q an it is important to us!!! You can contact us by email if you wish. Bollocks!!

 

[PartTimePongo]

Except he wasn't an Illegal. Jack Straw confirmed that to the Brasilian ambassador, the press release is in the FCO website as I remember.