police caution?

[TuggyJa]

basically, I've been on the warfare specialist waiting list for 2 years now. and last year, we were all out on night on the town. my friend being drunk and a little reckless, decides to go into a building and get a fire extinguisher and come back outside squirting it everywhere. two guys run over and start trying to restrain him, which appeared they were harassing him. one of them tried grabbing me so i hit him. turns out they were undercover traffic police. night in the cell, and a simple caution for common assault. really worried this is going to have a major impact on my recruitment to the RN. can somebody help me out and tell me whether this will affect me?

 

[adrian9901]

um depends if it is on your record tbh , Simple if you cant handle your drink dont go get drunk esp if your on waiting list !

 

[TuggyJa]

all cautions apparently go on your record. but I've read other forums and there have been mixed reviews. i can handle my drink, my friend couldn't, and as a result of me in some way protecting myself, i spent the night in a cell. any other person would probably react the same if they got grabbed vigorously by an non un-uniformed stranger.

 

[Ninja_Stoker]

Generally, it pays to express remorse rather than try to defend an act of aggression.A caution is considered 'spent' once given but must be declared on the security clearance application.Those wishing to join the Armed Forces are advised to avoid breaking the law, whatever the circumstances.







Edit: My mobile can't spell.

 

[BurghJG]

People may try to defend themselves but not many would break in somewhere steal a fire exstinguisher and spray it all over the place. Not exactly what I would expect of someone wanting a respectable job. Only thing you can do is ask AFCO and maybe rethink who you socialise with.

 

[sgtpepperband]

Not going to chastise you on your conduct when you are out socialising as I do not know you. Anyway:

...two guys run over and start trying to restrain him, which appeared they were harassing him. one of them tried grabbing me so i hit him. turns out they were undercover traffic police...

U/C officers of whichever Force will identify themselves immediately at the time they become involved in situations like this (i.e. a public order incident unrelated to their ongoing operation). This is usually by means of a vocal warning or revealing a secreted badge/Warrant Card or insignia (e.g. armband/baseball cap). I would wager that these two officers shouted a warning but you and your friend chose to ignore it. Furthermore, given your apparent state of inebriation, I doubt you were in a fit state to establish whether they were "harassing" your friend or not (my own experience would lead me to believe the officers were displaying a robust approach to anti-social crime, according to current ACPO guidelines..!). However:

...night in the cell, and a simple caution for common assault. really worried this is going to have a major impact on my recruitment to the RN. can somebody help me out and tell me whether this will affect me?

Yes it will. In accepting an FPC (Formal Police Caution) you admitted liability for the offence in order to avoid Court proceedings, but it remains on your record accordingly. As you are already on the waiting list it might have implications on your eligibility for selection for basic training. Failing to disclose the matter to your potentional or future employer(s) is also an offence. I would recommend you contact your AFCO as soon as possible to discuss the matter. Other AFCO officers on RR will no doubt be along to add appropriate advice on the matter.

No matter what the outcome, I hope you learn from your experience and develop some of the maturity expected of service personnel. If the outlook is not good and your AFCO decides to withhold your application, please do not blame anybody else but yourself. Good luck! :thumbleft:

 

[Drakey]

Formal cautions are considered to be "Spent immediately" but it should still be declared

 

[Ninja_Stoker]

What may interest the OP, but probably won't, is that what he may consider a minor act of vandalism by his friend would cost his job in the service.

Whilst serving on HMS Illustrious we were plagued by an idiot setting-off extinguishers on 2 Deck when returning onboard drunk.

I finally caught the culprit, the only person I've ever felt need to "troop".

The miscreant, a Stoker, was rather surprised to find himself facing a court Martial at RNAS Yeovilton and subsequently discharged from the service for endangering life.

Zero sympathy.

 

[fishface]

I hope you learn from your experience and develop some of the maturity expected of service personnel.

From some of the threads on here that's got to be a contradiction in terms in some cases?!

 

[sgtpepperband]

From some of the threads on here that's got to be a contradiction in terms in some cases?!

Doing it is one thing - getting caught is another! :wink:

 

[TuggyJa]

i think some people are reading this wrong. i did not break into anywhere. i did not spray the fire extinguisher. they did not shout police. do you really think i'd be stupid enough to hit a guy that just yelled police at me? he wasn't in uniform. i am mature so you cannot judge me for that. all of my family have respectable jobs either serving in the forces, or in the prison service. my father is aware of the situation, and understood the heat of the moment link to it. i ask simple advice and people are now hacking me down with answers telling me who i should be hanging around with and judging me. yes it was a mistake. these are not excuses. i admitted i was in the wrong. i repeatedly apologised how sorry i was for hitting him because i had no idea he was an officer. and just to put it out there, he even shook hands with me telling me not to worry. so thanks so so so much for your support with this.

 

[rumdownmythroat]

If it does go against you then it`s your fault for being a mong

 

[fishface]

If it does go against you then it`s your fault for being a mong

Indeed any self respecting bloke would have legged it :thumbup:

 

[Drakey]

CALM DOWN DEAR.You will find that when a question is asked on here that sometimes it will go off topic as people will want to give others the benifit of their experiences. So, you're a nice lad who did something wrong or out of character and had the presence of mind to admit it. Nothing wrong with that. However, trivial it may have been, it is different when you are in the armed forces and the consequences are far greater for trivial matters than they are in civvy street. Ninja's fire extinguisher story is a fine example of this. Good luck

 

[Blackrat]

I'd go and give your mate a good shoeing as well, just for good measure. Hopefully this will not affect your application and who knows, Soon you may be able to commit acts of vandalism abroad, which is funny because it's happening to foreigners.

 

[TuggyJa]

we can all call names. and actually, they started chasing my mate, and we walked off, only to bump back into the officer.

 

[fishface]

we can all call names. and actually, they started chasing my mate, and we walked off, only to bump back into the officer.

That makes arse all sense. If plod were chasing your pal how could you walk off?

 

[TuggyJa]

how does that not make sense? they use their legs to chase him because he ran off. two undercover officers. so i had the opportunity to use my legs walk off because nobody was preventing me from going anywhere. that better for you?

 

[Sherpa]

Been there and been accosted by some fat twat in a wooly pulley with his badges off so he could thump the shite outta me.......

It happens and you deal with it. At the end of the day mate, we all do daft stuff and I wouldn't judge as I wasn't there to see the thing go off. No one should judge unless they were there or in receipt of the evidence from both sides. We can only take your word for it.

But my nephew got binned for having a small tattoo which looks more like a birth mark than a tat, you are at risk joining and having this on 'record'. Did they take your name in their note book?

Amazes me that some on here haven't even been to Raleigh let alone able to comment on what the lads down a mess would think.

Aside from that.....if you get through ...learn a lesson....if you are ashore with the lads and one starts doing that sort of shite, then its an unwritten rule, that you drag the little twat off and thump him yourself for being a retard. If you were ashore abroad, and the local plod caught you, you'd probably end up in the nick at their leisure, even worse if you are under sailing orders, miss the ship. and yes they do make you pay for getting you back on board.

Drag him off and run like a twat back on board. then call him a knob. Then make him buy the next round. and for christs sake do not get caught...if you do MOD washes their hands of you and once you have been done by local plod, you APPLY yourself for what's called ' Consequential Naval Penalties' on a request chit, so you get to go to the old mans cabin doff your cap and plead to be whipped. If your lucky they will give you a weeks 9's.

 

[Ballistic]

all cautions apparently go on your record. but I've read other forums and there have been mixed reviews. i can handle my drink, my friend couldn't, and as a result of me in some way protecting myself, i spent the night in a cell. any other person would probably react the same if they got grabbed vigorously by an non un-uniformed stranger.

So the stranger was wearing a uniform then?

I'm confused.