Pilot pipeline blanks

Yorkey

Badgeman
Thanks powder - much appreciated. His question regarding the pipeline was the first question he asked after going through all my extra-curricular activities at school and uni. He had to speed me along a bit at one point as I detailed everything that happens at Dartmouth too hah.

The Special Flying Award is a 10 day course down in Yeovilton on the Grob Tutor. I had originally applied to do the gliding course but was told I was too old (20!). I got a phone call several months later from the Lt who runs much of the recruitment for the FAA asking whether I would be interested in going on the SFA. Though the usual process is through your ACLO I think.

Aye, I've done medical, RT and fitness tests so far. I was under the impression that all ACLOs followed the same course as the said tests are part of the ratings' selection and have to be completed before beginning the interview stage - the first stage of officer selection.


Btw Powder, just for your information (and possible browny points at interview), EFT is no longer conducted on the firefly - they began using the Grob Tutor in late September/October 2009. The RN site is incorrect.

When is your interview?
 

perksy

Newbie
Hi Yorkey,

Congratulations on passing the sift interview. I should have mine in a couple of weeks after I bash out my PJFT next week. I'm also applying for pilot.

I have a couple of questions which I was hoping you (or anybody else) could answer. How much Naval knowledge were you questioned on during the interview? Also, how many and what leadership examples did you give?

Whilst I've never lead an expedition to climb Everest at the age of 15, I do have quite a bit of leadership examples from when I was at university. I was Treasurer and President of the Taekwondo club, Chief Projectionist and Webmaster at the student cinema (35mm film no DVD rubbish), all of which required competence, organising, responsibility, punctuation, teaching etc.
I don't really have anything to give from my time before uni (apart from DofE Bronze) as I was a completely different person then (much more confident, less shy etc now), would that count against me?

At the interview, is it the way you come across when explaining (I'm not very good a "bigging up" the examples I have as they're just normal to me), or have you got to be superman and organised 50 charity events which have raised £100m all before you were 13?

Now I've got to go and learn as much as possible...there's soooooo much :?

Cheers,
Perksy
 

Powder

Lantern Swinger
I've been reading a bit into BRNC and officer training/survival course, it looks SOOOO fun, i cant wait to hopefully be there!

I have applied for the gliding scholarship twice now, first time didnt work, then yesterday I got a confirmation email through from the second attempt, so hopefully looking forward to that! :)
Ive flown around 16 hours, 12 of which with an instructor in single engines so far, so think that maybe what you did would be more entertaining, but nevertheless, cant complain if its free :D

I have also done RT, Medical, fitness (in that order) and have been waiting since around October time for a date for sift interview! Finally got called over november after a bit of chasing up and have it booked for 1st Febuary, so not too long now!.

Thanks for the heads up regarding new training aircraft. Its a shame that they wont be flying the slingsby fireflies as we have one at work and I have learnt a fair bit about it, by cleaning it, taxiing it etc.
 

CityBoy1988

Lantern Swinger
Powder - How do you go about applying for the flying awards - when I had my SIFT interview the officer said he would try and sort it out for me and that I would either hear something or not. I just wondered if there is any other way I can try and apply to go on one to fill my time productively before FATs and AIB... thanks
 

Powder

Lantern Swinger
CityBoy1988 said:
Powder - How do you go about applying for the flying awards - when I had my SIFT interview the officer said he would try and sort it out for me and that I would either hear something or not. I just wondered if there is any other way I can try and apply to go on one to fill my time productively before FATs and AIB... thanks

Check your inbox matey
 

karskin

Badgeman
Although you didn't seem to get pulled up on it, the grading course is definetly 7 weeks long, I know as I was due to be starting it in February
 

Powder

Lantern Swinger
karskin said:
Although you didn't seem to get pulled up on it, the grading course is definetly 7 weeks long, I know as I was due to be starting it in February
This may seem a completely n00b question, but heck, its the newbie section.
What actually happens within the Flying Grading? Is it like exams or just being around an airfield and learning bits and bobs? Very unaware. I thought it was just flying exams?
 

Yorkey

Badgeman
Don't by any means consider me an expert but from what they told me when I was on the SFA in the summer, I learned the following.

It's essentially supposed to show whether you are responsive to training. Basic core values - turning, climbing, descending, turning in the climb, turning in the descent, a small aerobatic package of 4 or 5 procedures, taking off, landing, circuits. I think that's largely it - all very basic and I think it's only about 10/13 hours flight time. Everything builds up to the end flight which is 45 minutes - the student flies 4+/-(?) circuits, does all the turns and climbing and aerobatic package. Basically you'll be very busy for 3/4 hour. The assessment you get on your final flight is final - it's rare for people to be able to take it again.
 

Yorkey

Badgeman
perksy said:
Hi Yorkey,

Congratulations on passing the sift interview. I should have mine in a couple of weeks after I bash out my PJFT next week. I'm also applying for pilot.

I have a couple of questions which I was hoping you (or anybody else) could answer. How much Naval knowledge were you questioned on during the interview? Also, how many and what leadership examples did you give?

Whilst I've never lead an expedition to climb Everest at the age of 15, I do have quite a bit of leadership examples from when I was at university. I was Treasurer and President of the Taekwondo club, Chief Projectionist and Webmaster at the student cinema (35mm film no DVD rubbish), all of which required competence, organising, responsibility, punctuation, teaching etc.
I don't really have anything to give from my time before uni (apart from DofE Bronze) as I was a completely different person then (much more confident, less shy etc now), would that count against me?

At the interview, is it the way you come across when explaining (I'm not very good a "bigging up" the examples I have as they're just normal to me), or have you got to be superman and organised 50 charity events which have raised £100m all before you were 13?

Now I've got to go and learn as much as possible...there's soooooo much :?

Cheers,
Perksy

Thanks Perksy, t'is appreciated though still have a long way to go yet eh.

The interviewing Lt asked me to tell him everything I knew about the Lynx Mk8, Merlin and future aircraft and ship projects of the RN. We had to change interview rooms at one stage and as we were walking he pointed to random pictures of Sea King Mk4s and asked me to tell him about them. He's not expecting highly detailed information - largely how many aircrew onboard, what weapons systems they operate, what sonar aids they use, what's on the nose of the Lynx mk8 - that kind of thing.

When he asked me about why I wanted to join, I mentioned that the values and operations of the RN support many of my own views on the world - protecting British sovereignty in the South Atlantic, supporting British troops in Afghanistan e.g. 857 sq are out there atm, protecting British and allied commercial interests off the coast of Somalia, participating in humanitarian operations in the Caribbean, ensuring Britain has an active nuclear deterrent etc. He liked that a lot - so make sure you know what operations the RN is on and also what ships are conducting them. I'd recommend buying or reading on the internet, the latest Navy News. The RN global operations page hasn't been updated for a while.

Regarding the leadership examples, I listed as many as I could think of from the various parts of my life - he wanted examples from GCSE onward. I mentioned perhaps 7 or 8 in total which he was satisfied with. He was keen to know whether I had ever handled a budget before so your Treasurer and President experience is good. He said in the de-briefing that he liked the way I presented myself in the roles I undertook as a manager rather than someone who merely issued dictats to people - offering leadership but working within and for a team. DofE bronze would be a good example if you can identify the good role you played in your team.

I didn't exaggerate what I had done but afterwards he did tell me, in his words, 'sex up my examples'. Exactly what that means I am not completely certain but I think his point was that in every example you should beef up the number of skills you learned and demonstrated. Don't worry about £300 million pound budgets - I told him I was in charge of a small budget of about £300 when I was chairman of my University under-college but that I got the University and College chairman to buy things for my halls instead. I don't think it's the amount of money they're interested in - it's what you did with it and whether you dealt with your duties responsibly.

Hope that helps, happy to answer any other questions if you believe I could be helpful.
 

Yorkey

Badgeman
Btw in addition he asked what I would say if I was offered Observer instead of pilot considering the fact that the needs of the service come first. It's worth thinking about beforehand what you would say. I said that although I appreciate the needs of the service are paramount, my passion is to be a pilot and so my absolute preference would be for pilot.

Also asked the pipeline for observers which I had to admit, I knew very little about apart from them spending time in Culdrose in Jetstreams and meeting up with pilot students during the respective OCUs.

Wanted to know my knowledge about the RN drug policy and my views on drugs.

Also, try and find out exactly a pilot does day to day when they're not flying. They're also Divisional Officers and have to liase with the warfare department regarding what the helicopter can achieve. I managed to kind of bluff my way through that but I doubt I was overly convincing.
 
Yorkey said:
Also, try and find out exactly a pilot does day to day when they're not flying.

Sleep? Play Uckers? Watch DVDs?*

*These are serious answers, based on sharing a cabin with a pilot for 4 months on deployment, and living cabin opposite quite recently. They also do the planning for their flights, act as DOs, do whatever job the XO has boned them off for, do the Met (generally the sprog WAFU, P or O), keep an active interest in whatever the SMR and lads are doing to the aircraft. But generally they sleep, play uckers and watch DVDs.....
 

Powder

Lantern Swinger
Damn Yorkey, sounds like you got absoloutly grilled on the RN questions!!

I am dreading them asking me to "name everything you know..". I find it much easier if people are more specific. "what is the cruise speed for.." or "what weapons does..." etc..

PS: What is on the nose of the Lynx Mk8? I always thought it was some kind of Sonar/Radar thing.
 
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