PHASE 2 PVR

Waspie

War Hero
To the OP.

Training is shit, those of us that served will agree. It's the worst time. However, once out into the real Navy you will find it's a totally different regime to that of training. Your treated like an adult, your given a trade and a job to do - just get on with it. It's fun.

That said, if the RN isn't really for you, whatever your reasons and you don't have to explain them. Then leave as you'll regret not taking that chance while you can.

But as said above. BEWARE. NOW in particular is not a good time to become a civvy! We are confronted with the potential for the biggest recession in years. Jobs - what jobs. You will be lucky to be even considered for an interview and what are they going to think of someone who has no history of staying!!!

Good luck for the future, you have massive problems ahead of you and even larger decisions to make!!!
 

littleredfish

Midshipman
I don't think it's fair that the mantra here is the Navy is the be all and end all. The pay isn't that great for a start. £15,000 to £20,000. Hardly much. One of our employees PVR'd and is glad he did.

There is work out there other than the Navy for those willing to do it and look for it and it's a darn sight better paid and even worthwhile.

Sorry to sound ranty - but it kind of is because there is life on Civvy Street. We have had ex forces come work for us and we find them often to be the hardest to deal with and manage!
 

littleredfish

Midshipman
Also this forum probably isn't the best place to talk about leaving the Navy - given the subject matter of the forum is the actual thing.
 

redmonkey

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
Also does your company pay for you to further your education and earn whilst you are sat in a classroom?

Money isn't everything. However it can make things more comfortable.

I have been able to do many more things than would be possible if I was in normal civvy employment.
I have furthered my education through courses and at little cost to myself.
My children have had experiences few others their age have.

I can retire in a few years with a very nice pension that will get better with age.
 

littleredfish

Midshipman
But all of that isn’t for everyone. If it were the forces would not be “desperate” for recruits as they seem to allude to. Simply because everyone would be jockeying to get in.

I agree there are opportunities in the forces but there are also opportunities out of it.

the guy josh obviously isn’t happy so it’s up to him to decide if to quit or not. What shouldn’t happen is a sales driven recruitment process that gaslights unhappy people wanting to leave.
 

Branch-Hopper

War Hero
If it were the forces would not be “desperate” for recruits as they seem to allude to. Simply because everyone would be jockeying to get in.
Just wait for the unemployment realisation to hit once the furlough scheme is terminated. Happens each time there is a crash. Reserve forces enquires are already up.
 

littleredfish

Midshipman
Says a lot about the forces that the recruitment to full compliment requires an economic crisis. We don’t seem to have an issue on recruitment despite not offering the “opportunities” the forces do.

if someone wants to leave early they can’t even write in to say they wish to leave. But instead are subject to an interrogation and in my mind psychological abuse as to “what is good for them”.

do you think we do that when a staff member want to join the Navy and leave our firm?
 

Chris P

Lantern Swinger
I think there is a great deal of difference between you and the RN, settle down, take a deep breath, count to ten and have a cup of tea or something....
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
But all of that isn’t for everyone. If it were the forces would not be “desperate” for recruits as they seem to allude to. Simply because everyone would be jockeying to get in.

I agree there are opportunities in the forces but there are also opportunities out of it.

the guy josh obviously isn’t happy so it’s up to him to decide if to quit or not. What shouldn’t happen is a sales driven recruitment process that gaslights unhappy people wanting to leave.
No one has said the lad was not to make the decision for himself. All that has been offered is food for thought.

Even leaving is not the end. There is the possibility of coming back, but there have been many who have graced this site who have found that once they discovered they had made a mistake by doing so, getting back in was not a doddle and may even have to be from square one, and all the time and effort that entails.

Ultimately, HM Forces are a volunteer service - there are conditions, of course, but if you are determined to jack it in then you can do so, and good luck to you. But you have to recognise that we have seen plenty who believe they haven't got what it takes, decided to stay and stick it out and then find themselves thinking they made the right choice. Just as we have seen those who do chin it off and believe they are all the better for it. And those who leave, regret it and come back. And those who leave, regret it, cannot get back. And those who did not want to leave but were turfed out - for better or worse.

What we have been saying to the OP is - there have been plenty in your position and the paths you take from here may be for good or ill, but ultimately it is your choice. Just make sure you have understood all the possible implications of it.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
@littleredfish I'm assuming your a taxpayer, it takes a minimum of £7000 just to get someone to Raleigh gate, that's before kit issue and pay (which has a major jump after 6 months), a full free medical and dental check, plus dental work if required.

When your firm is recruiting do you spend that amount of money? Taking in to account thats 60 per week, factor in Army and RAF are doing the same, that's a lot of taxpayers money. Don't you think the Forces have a right to try and persuade recruits to stay, or are you happy all your hard earned money you pay in taxes have gone down the drain?
 

littleredfish

Midshipman
Tax payers money is wasted in far greater proportions in other government processes and schemes than recruits dropping out. That concerns me more than the happiness of a person.
 

Waspie

War Hero
Tax payers money is wasted in far greater proportions in other government processes and schemes than recruits dropping out. That concerns me more than the happiness of a person.
Speak to the civil service about wasting tax payers money. Ultimately, even the MoD and all three services are subject to their tight leash!!!!
 

Sumo

War Hero
For the new recruit to join the RN it is or can be a long process. Once in a shock to the system is received, and long days in training begin, this most certainly upsets some.
The Op has to look at his own way forward at the young age of 17.
What does he dislike about the RN compared to what attracts him to leaving?
What are his true job prospects with unemployment rising and if we believe the press most being laid of are the young, due to lack of experience or the way some employers employ youngsters.
Would staying a few years whilst the world returns to some kind of normal be a bad thing?
If you are at Collingrad, you are achieving a transferable trade.

You have already achieved quit a bit, many who apply for RN never make it to basic training, of those that do some fail in Phase 1.
Speak to your DO
go visit a Job Center see what the world is offering
Think very carefully as you still have a window of a few months, but don't let it grind you down, some once focused on one option do not see anything else, they go for it at any cost, rightly or wrongly.
what will hurt most not taking this window, or taking the next one after that?

let us know which way you go, and if you made the right choice for you.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Tax payers money is wasted in far greater proportions in other government processes and schemes than recruits dropping out. That concerns me more than the happiness of a person.
If they're unhappy, they go, fair enough, it's not for everyone. My point was you seem to think it wrong that the MoD try and persuade them to stay, I'm putting the other side of the argument and why the MoD try.
 

littleredfish

Midshipman
I think what I disagree with is the methodology of persuasion. Some of the comments on here for example. For us, if a gadgee wants to leave, naturally we want to know why. Usually it is due to pay, training or the desire for more responsibility or a combination. We would try and accommodate it. If we can't then there is nowhere much to go. We even have that the person simply doesn't like it. What we don't do is trawl the news for gloom stories advising of a lifetime of dole queue claiming or staying is good for you etc.
 
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