Paying for Food on ships - inbound?

A little birdy told me that from July, RAs will have to pay for lunches on board ships they're serving in, and that pusser is actively looking for an excuse to charge all seagoing personnel food charges, even when the ships at sea and victualled-in people.

Apparently, the Daily Messing Rate was cut from £2.03 to £1.16 in one go last year (although its a bit more now) - and this has to pay for 3 meals a day! Bloody hell - how do the chefs manage that?! This is a disgrace - why hasn't the press picked up on it?

I was told once that a Met Police dog handler gets more per day to feed his dog than the caterers get per day to feed a matelot. I reckon its about twice as much now....

Yet another cut in our terms and conditions, just like paying full whack for railcards, crappy pay rises, having to do jury service, being able to be sued for doing your job, health & safety nazis ruling all engineering tasks, ships being at sea 300 days a year. No wonder people are leaving in droves.
 
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Any more nails' to go in the RN coffin? Pay for your own kit and weapons? Standby pay rates whist alongside?
Pooh !
 

jambosun

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Geoffrey,
I know a little bit about this subject and can tell you categorically that there is NO intention to look at personnel at sea or victualled in onboard a ship in terms of them paying for their food. The free lunches for RAs is an issue that has gone on for ages. There is a currently a battle to preserve this but whether it will succeed or not I do not know.

The Daily Messing Rate has changed for one very good reason. When the new food supply contract with Purple Food Services came in last year, an arrangement was made at Defence Food Services IPT that all the company's transport and operating costs would be paid centrally and not added onto the cost of the ingredients supplied. This means that the costs to the Catering Account has reduced massively and so the DMR has been reduced at the same rate. (Ship's still get the relevant supplements that they have always had) In real terms there is no difference to what the ship gets and how much it pays for it all that has changed is that the overheads no longer get added pro rata to the cost of food.
 

silverfox

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Presumably this is RAs when alongside in base port - which is the same in shore establishments. I think you'll find that Pusser is under pressure from the other Services to come into line with them, as they only get free scoff when in field conditions ie living in a ditch as opposed to a ship. Could be wrong - what we need is a HQ pusser to put us straight.

and yes prisoners have a better DMR than we do....
 

jambosun

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Silverfox, You have hit the nail well and truly on the head. And while prisoners may have better DMR. the practices of Prison Service and their contractual arrangements means that their food is nowhere near as good as Jack's. I know we all like to bleat about food but in my experience over quite a long time, our caterer's do a pretty damn good job.
 
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jambosun said:
Geoffrey,
When the new food supply contract with Purple Food Services came in last year, an arrangement was made at Defence Food Services IPT that all the company's transport and operating costs would be paid centrally and not added onto the cost of the ingredients supplied. This means that the costs to the Catering Account has reduced massively and so the DMR has been reduced at the same rate. (Ship's still get the relevant supplements that they have always had)

I have a couple of questions about this. Why was the DMR reduced at the same time, across the Fleet, for all ships - including for food already on board delivered under the old system - if the lump sum costs have been deducted? Surely for the cost of a lorry arriving at a CVS gangway is same as the cost of a lorry driving past 2 Basin for the MCMVs?

How does the decrease in DMR affect deployed ships? Surely food costs from agents ashore are still the same, but the money that the ship's account uses to pay for it has been halved?

If net costs have not reduced, why is almost every ship now running a huge deficit on their catering account, when previously most were running even?

AND, if it was all worked out so perfectly and has nothing to do with cost-cutting, why was the rate almost halved first of all, and then increased by 50p a few months later?
 
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The only time I had really shite unhealthy food in the mob was on a minesweeper, loads of chips and beans. They were in defense watches though...
 

slim

War Hero
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I don't know what the fuss is about. As long as you still get your Sh!t on a raft, Train smash, Babies heads and Cheesy hammy eggy everything will be fine.
 

theoldti

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VM's doing duties on board submarines are paying food AND accom now! whilst their general service counterparts parked next door are not paying food or accom and are sometimes getting £3 a day ULA. This has resulted in your average S/M JR being on less money that his GS counterpart and being 1 in 3 duties to boot.
The answer is not to stiff the rest of you guys like this but to let anyone who is unable to return home or back to the base for mealtimes to have it for nothing. We have little perks as it is and as a good RA I feel satisfied if I can get some decent scran on duty without having to pay for it. If I have to start paying for it then they can kiss my A*SE.
 

jambosun

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Goeffrey,

I'll try my best. I agree it is/was inappropriate to have food purchased under one DMR counted against another (reduced) one and I am pretty convinced that accounting arrangements were put in place to mitigate against this. Secondly when pusser buys food in a foreign port from a chandler the items are revalued after they have been brought on board so they are at the same price as the core list contract items

I can't answer the last point as I have been out of the loop for a few months.. I also can't answer your claim about every ship running a huge deficit on the catering account. Is this gen dit or an assumption? If all ships were having problems with the DMR then the other 2 Services would be in the same position and FLEET and as well as LAND and STC would be taking this up with DFS and D Log Commodities. You may be right on this for all I know but the RN would not sit back and let it continue - it would be untenable.
 
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geoffrey said:
A little birdy told me that from July, RAs will have to pay for lunches on board ships they're serving in, and that pusser is actively looking for an excuse to charge all seagoing personnel food charges, even when the ships at sea and victualled-in people.

Apparently, the Daily Messing Rate was cut from £2.03 to £1.16 in one go last year (although its a bit more now) - and this has to pay for 3 meals a day! Bloody hell - how do the chefs manage that?! This is a disgrace - why hasn't the press picked up on it?

I was told once that a Met Police dog handler gets more per day to feed his dog than the caterers get per day to feed a matelot. I reckon its about twice as much now....

Yet another cut in our terms and conditions, just like paying full whack for railcards, crappy pay rises, having to do jury service, being able to be sued for doing your job, health & safety nazis ruling all engineering tasks, ships being at sea 300 days a year. No wonder people are leaving in droves.

And some would argue that certain perks and privelidges remain untouched. Sorry to reopen issues addressed (or not, as it seems) elsewhere on this board but what right have we to carp about paying for scran at sea and succumbing to other such enforced fuckery when the edict of employing Stewards for officers remains intact. I have many friends in the stewards branch (possibly not so many now after reading this board, mind) but all I am doing is playing Devil's advocate here and asking questions long standing regarding grace and favour perks whilst the rest of the fleet goes wanting. Can anyone here tell me what the financial cost of stewardship of let's say, 1SL, 2SL C-in-C Fleet and the rest of the Navy Board? Some of you would say 'well, RHIP and they deserve it' and other such bollocks. I say, put your money where your mouths are and instead of releasing brief after Galaxy brief about covering up how skint we are (erm, guys ... we know. Many of us are on the cutting edge of skint) show some commitment and discard the trappings of luxury to indicate that we are all victims of the financial knife. I'd be sad to see stewards go, I think they provide a decent service and many of them do so tirelessly and in the face of abject arrogance and disdain at times, but my message isn't directed at them specifically, it's aimed at those positioned in towers of ivory who expect the withering fleet to swallow another bite of shit sandwich whilst arses are wiped at taxpayers expense. Paying for scran at sea will be gratefully recieved, I am sure ... but we must also equip ourselves with the notion that if it is to be done, other sacrifices have been made as well. We must also be satisfied that we are not railroaded into a no-choice situation, and that for our money, the only other competition isn't the NAAFI.

Levers
 
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Levers - I don't think you'll find a single serving officer at sea in favour of the Steward branch below the rank of Cdr. I would far rather choose my own food, based on what it looks like, at dinner time, and adjust my portion sizes according to how hungry I am, rather than choosing dinner at 7.15am, based on an edited and misinterpreted version of the menu, and which bears no relation to that from which everyone else on the ship has the choice.

All we need is a serving hatch and a messman, and I'd be happy. Retinue staff do have their place, but that place is at very formal functions for VIPs, not every day babysitting for grown adults.

Still don't think I should pay for lunch if I were RA - where else can I get it from?
 

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