paras vs marines

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  1. im just about to leave school and want to join the marines i was drawn towards the paras for a while but someone told me they were a bunch of grunts/cannon fodder. could a serving marine or ex marine give me advice on what to join and who is most elite. :D
     
  2. oooh now you've gone and done it!
    THAT old chestnut.......and you've posted it on a Navy site (what were you thinking!!?)
    am niether serving or ex in either of those two, but in my humble (yeah right!) opinion they are both a bunch of nutters.
    both corps consist of Highly trained, highly professional soldiers, the Paras belong to the army and do a lot of jumping out of planes and the Marines belong to the Navy and do a lot of fast(small) boat work as well as being the amphib specialists. Both corps ARE the elite at what they do and the scraps between the two when they pass are numerous and ledgendary.
    As to who to join you want variety go for the Marines, if you want the Army go for that instead. Look at what they say they can give you and decide from there
     
  3. Dont go calling them grunts or cannon fodder either , 3 para are doing a
    fantastic job as we speak ,in Afganistan .
     
  4. tut tut kalum28 u've had ur first bollockin' and ur not even signed up yet...lmao, plenty more to come no doubt.

    i know im not qualified to answer ur question yet, but maybe i can shed some light on it with the way "I" currently see the love/hate divide.

    Having spent a stint in 3Para (Dover/Colchester) i can tell u that i see them as the "short 'n' sharp" of the two. They pride them selves on a very fast response, on foot time.

    Support elements are other parts of the army which generally haven’t got it together. If you look at the Para’s as top of the general army structure, anyone below them doesn’t have the “get up and go†attitude, which more often that not means that you are waiting around for the “hats†to pull it out of the bag………….(long wait)……

    P-Coy example:
    20 miles in under 5 hours with 55lb + weapon/helmet

    On the flip side are the marines who (I believe) have to make more personal decisions for them selves. Obviously elements of the training ARE “short ‘n’ sharp†but in general I see them as a slower and more methodical force.

    Because they are self supporting I envisage the “get up and go†as more of a “get up, grab the right kit and go†attitude.

    Commando example:
    30 miles in under 8 hours with +100lb

    There are examples that favour either side, thus making the other look weaker all the way down the line. But as they are BOTH elite forces, and in the eyes of many elite special forces…does it really matter which you join? Maybe if you look at the reason for you wanting to join you’ll find a solution there!

    If nothing else, then do this:
    Go to your local library and ask them to get you (to buy from them) a book.


    Fighting Fit: Complete SAS Fitness Training Handbook by Adrian Weale
    Paperback: 128 pages
    Publisher: Orion mass market paperback (2 Aug 2004)
    Language English
    ISBN: 0752805894

    Link:
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fighting-Fi...pd_ka_1/202-1260384-2519036?ie=UTF8&s=gateway

    it’s a gr8 book, that will explain the basics of both the Para’s and the Marines, naturally covering the SAS as well. I’ve owned a copy of this book for the last 12 years and I’ll either give a copy away or a m8 will nick it, its just a good insight to the fitness levels required and how to train for the task at hand. In the back of the book is a training plan for all three of the elite, so you’ll have plenty to crack-on with.

    Finally, u may want to check out both the army (www.army.gov.uk) and the navy www.navy.gov.uk websites to see what the maroon and green teams are doing now, will be doing over the next ten years and locations, equipment that’s on offer to you there. If you buy the book, do a bit of maths (ur age) and train hard; who knows, you could be writing the revised Fighting Fit in a few years.

    Good luck ;)
     
  5. A little bite from me , dont think for one minute that all members of
    the army ,are not motivated professional soldiers because they decided
    against joining the paras .The parachute regiment are the top of the tree
    in their field , however their is a lot more to being a soldier than being
    a para.The Royal Green Jackets are a fantastic regiment as are many of
    the county regiments . Saying that some of them are pretty poor as well .
    The choice is yours matey ,join whats best for you .
     
  6. The best way for you to appreciate the differences is for you to experience them both first-hand. I'm pretty sure the Paras do a 'look at life' style course and would be surprised if there wasn't a RM equivalent. If you go into the careers office, they'll point you in the right direction.

    Also, you may find that you fit in to one or the other better. As said before, they are both 'elite' but in different ways. Although subtle, the nature of a person required to storm a beach or conduct raids is very different from a someone who's traditional job is to be dropped into en territory and take on all-comers.

    Have a look for yourself and see what you think, it'll be extremely difficult to get an unbiased account from anyone else (especially if they actually know what they're talking about - which doesn't include me!)
     
  7. Your question is posted on a Navy site - just exactly what answer were you expecting? The Marines will offer you far more variety and, notwithstanding the excellent job the paras are doing, my loyalty is always going to be with the Senior Service. Go with the Marines!

    SF
     
  8. . Kalum

    As Silver Fox has said, if you post it on a Navy/Marines website your gonna get a biased response. Condotierri has the right idea - get your name down for both look at life courses and experience 3 days with them.

    You cant really compare the Royal Marines and the Paras as they are two totally different types of fighting units. The Paras are excellent soldiers with over 70% of the SAS being former Airborne Soldiers. Their style is more all out aggression. They are extremely fit, hard as nails and apply maximum aggression to get the job done.

    The Royal Marines are more self controlled. Excellent soldiers that are just as fit and just as hard as the Paras but much more of a thinking soldier. Also the Commando Course requires mental and physical stamina where the Paras P Company is pure speed and aggression.

    Your decision on which unit to join is largely down to the type of person you are and without knowing that, its impossible for any of us to direct you. Get on the PRC with both Royal and the Paras and let us know how you get on.

    Booty's - if you recruit him and he lasts to week 15, don’t you get a whopping big cash bonus nowadays? Ch-ching £££££££££££
     
  9. seriously people, it comes down to two things, 1) womens clothing (esp silk underwear) and dhobie of the highest order-both an alien concept to the maroon lids-give it a try lads, no shame to discover your femme side and after all it's not illegal anymore. (maroon's such a pretty colour more mauve really)
     
  10. There is only one answer to this question the Marines who in there right mind would want to join the Para's
     
  11. Never has so much complete bollox been written on a forum....except perhaps the outing of NozzyNozzer thread.

    Judging how a unit works by comparing fitness tests is the most ignorant crap I have ever heard.

    The Royal Marines is just a quick to deploy and just as quick at getting to the action as the Para's.

    Kalum the only answer I can give you is to go with your heart. I'm an ex bootneck but I would tell you that either mob are just as good as the other. The Royal Marine training is longer at 30 weeks but the Para training is no less difficult. I have met some absolute diamond paras in the past and they are every bit as proud and ready to defend their unit as I am.

    You really need to look at the training regime and regular deployments of both the Marines and the Paras and decide what is best for you. Obviously I would rejoin the Marines if I had my chance again but I would be just as happy with Pegasus on my arm as I was with the Green Lid.

    You need to look past the training and look at where the two mobs spend a lot of their time on deployment.

    Another thing that you need to decide is quite simply, are you good enough and can you handle the shit that the training teams are going to throw at you?

    All the best in your future.
     


  12. Skunk

    Well said mate - Kalum take this on board and let us know what you decide and how you get on.

    Spenny
     
  13. paras are good at what they do (airborne ops)and clearly good at there job as afghan prove's,however the paras haven't done a brigade airborne op since op market garden,but they do jump alot on ex so if you into that go for it,its a hard course and will be a serious challenge. Royal are a proven fighting force as all recent ops show and have done several amphib ops(ARG) over the last 10 years ,falkland,sierra leone etc, you can also get para qualified if you go recce.ml,sbs etc. the decision is yours in the end??

    I have served in 10para ta batt & as an ex reg bootneck so have mutual respect for both.
     
  14. I don't mean to be pedantic, but the last operational para jump was not Market Garden ("A Bridge too Far") but Suez, which was also the first amphibious attack using helicopters... The military learnt how useful the helicopter is, and the paras have never jumped operationaly again.

    I don't mean to disparage the Paras (for a start I am too scared too!) but the parachute bit is now more of a regimental identity, rather than a useful military tool except for Special Forces, and RM SBS, ML Recce etc.
     
  15. True para wings are seen as unit identity for there in BPT 's symbol and SBS old frog and wings,and something to be proud of you don't get them for nothing!!!! Oh and the extra pay's cool!!!


    The most recent, and to date, the last combat drop by the Paras, took place at Suez, when they joined French forces to protect the shipping canal after Egypt's President Nasser ‘nationalised' the international waterway.

    In November 1956, Lt Col Paul Crook, commanding officer of the 3rd Battalion Parachute Regiment, was told to prepare his Cyprus based unit for an operation. But with the 'run-down' of airborne forces after the war, equipment was in short supply.

    The plan, jointly agreed with French military commanders, called for 3 Para to parachute into a 'hot DZ' - held by the enemy - where they expected to face a fierce battle against 2,000 Egyptian troops, who were supported by armour.

    Operation Musketeer would need the element of total surprise if it was to succeed, and all 660 men had to be on the ground at El Gamil airfield and ready for action within four and a half minutes.

    Aircraft were covered in a coat of 'Gentian violet', a blue coloured medication, in a bid to camouflage them against the bright rays of the rising sun. In addition the airstrip at El Gamil was very narrow and the drop height had to be restricted to 700ft or less, in order to avoid soldiers being swept off the DZ by crosswinds.

    A further move which was not popular with the Battalion, was the decision not to wear reserve parachutes - due to the fact that they would not have the chance to use them at such low level.

    The Brigade had hardly enough aircraft for a single battalion lift. The Hastings and Valettas were unable to carry heavy equipment and at that time, the new Beverley transporters were not yet available.

    At 04.15 hours on November 5, 1956, 3 Para jumped in and although opposition was heavy, casualties were few. The unit medical officer, Lt Sandy Cavanagh, was shot in the eye as he descended to the DZ, as well as a dozen other injuries sustained on the ground.

    The Egyptians had been supplied with Soviet weapons and on the second day a Russian Mig fighter strafed the Paras, causing two casualties. It was a 'one-off incident, regarded as a show of strength by the Red Air Force against world opinion.

    A sergeant, who was one of the first out of the door at Suez, still remembers his concern for the unexpected 'We were nervous, nobody really knew what to expect, but as soon as we left the aircraft, they started firing at us . . . The airfield was covered with oil drums to stop aircraft landing and once we had cleared it, we made our way to Port Said. There was quite a bit of fighting and we took a few injuries, but nothing to shout about'.

    At Port Said, 2 Para came ashore, but within a week a ceasefire had been announced and the regiment pulled out, heading back to Cyprus. World opinion had forced Britain and France to withdraw their forces.

    The Battalion had acted in the highest traditions of the Parachute regiment, but the regiment had not been prepared for the operation and new equipment was desperately needed.

    I did say brigade.
     
  16. I think it is fair to say that your Royal Marine is more of a thinking soldier as opposed to your wind em up and let em go types.
     
  17. I came in a little late on this one matey and as I see there are many posts with lots of advice, but hear me. If you want to be in a position to have a shower at least twice a day and get fed three square meals in a dining hall. Work in a friendly air conditioned anvironment and actually feel civilised without the discomfort of hiding in a wet muddy or even freezing hole to save your carcass from some ******** who dearly wants you dead, then join civvy street. Having said that, the next best thing is the Royal Navy, it's just that they don't put up with any dirty ******** who only has two showers a day. :lol:
     
  18. My advice is do not join the RN unless you wish to come across inequality onboard, to elucidate wrens on ships are not treated the same as the lads it's political correctness gone mad and while I am on the subject they, women should not be piloting harriers in a combat role. Do yourself a favour; get yourself extremely fit then head off down to Lympstone and good luck to you.
     
  19. Of course Kalum you could join the French Foreign Legion.After 5 year you might be in a better frame of mind as to which to join!If you urvived the 5 years then either the Paras or RM would be a breeze!
     
  20. Another one to add to the argument. I know that both the Paras and the Booties are at the top of the tree, however are there any other ARMY regiements that are of of the same standard, or which ones are approaching it! The infantry regiments that I have come across - Scots infantry, Irish Guards, Royal Irish have had their share of fat knackers! Though I am sure there are just as many who are top notch
     

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