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Other than the Money, what are the real advantages to boats

Bawsack

Lantern Swinger
Re: Other than the Money, what are the real advantages to bo

Polycell said:
Bawsack said:
Did you read my post? I guess you ignored the 'I also did a deployment on a carrier' part then?

Anyway dont let that get in the way of your opinion.
Yes mupp I read your post AND you said you joined boats at 17 1/2 so lets work this out!!!
Joined up at 16, six months training went to sea perhaps at 16 1/2(doubtful!!) then 1 year later into boats uhmm! Hardly experience is it? Or is it!!
Boats IMO are a totally different Navy and are only comparable to Small ships when it comes to the camaradre and fun that can be had.
Perhaps you did a year on a sweeper as well!!

Who said I joined up at 16 1/2? I joined Repulse in 1992 and when I left it had a bit of time inboard I joined the Illustrious in 1996 to take part in a deployment sailing from Pompey and participating in such delights as Exercise Purple Star returning to join Sovereign a few months later.

Anyway onto your last point, as As Sovereign was in refit, I joined the Blackwater for a few weeks and did some NI stuff, so in answer to your question, yes I did do some time on a sweeper.

Anyway, dont let me shoot you down in shit, come back be offensive again and see where else you can highlight your lack of ability to read and decipher posts..

Jog on......
 

alex123

Midshipman
bawsack, so you think i should go boats?

whats it like when you first went on one, and did you ever wish you went surface fleet?
 
Re: Other than the Money, what are the real advantages to bo

Bawsack said:
Polycell said:
Bawsack said:
Did you read my post? I guess you ignored the 'I also did a deployment on a carrier' part then?

Anyway dont let that get in the way of your opinion.
Yes mupp I read your post AND you said you joined boats at 17 1/2 so lets work this out!!!
Joined up at 16, six months training went to sea perhaps at 16 1/2(doubtful!!) then 1 year later into boats uhmm! Hardly experience is it? Or is it!!
Boats IMO are a totally different Navy and are only comparable to Small ships when it comes to the camaradre and fun that can be had.
Perhaps you did a year on a sweeper as well!!

Who said I joined up at 16 1/2? I joined Repulse in 1992 and when I left it had a bit of time inboard I joined the Illustrious in 1996 to take part in a deployment sailing from Pompey and participating in such delights as Exercise Purple Star returning to join Sovereign a few months later.

Anyway onto your last point, as As Sovereign was in refit, I joined the Blackwater for a few weeks and did some NI stuff, so in answer to your question, yes I did do some time on a sweeper.

Anyway, dont let me shoot you down in shit, come back be offensive again and see where else you can highlight your lack of ability to read and decipher posts..

Jog on......

Bas

I am not sure if a few months on Illustrous and a couple of weeks on a sweeper as a Junior/Ordinary Seaman really counts as General Service sea which is long enough to get any real feel for the job. We were thing about at least two 18 month commissions around the world.

Nutty
 

Bawsack

Lantern Swinger
Re: Other than the Money, what are the real advantages to bo

Nutty said:
Bawsack said:
Polycell said:
Bawsack said:
Did you read my post? I guess you ignored the 'I also did a deployment on a carrier' part then?

Anyway dont let that get in the way of your opinion.
Yes mupp I read your post AND you said you joined boats at 17 1/2 so lets work this out!!!
Joined up at 16, six months training went to sea perhaps at 16 1/2(doubtful!!) then 1 year later into boats uhmm! Hardly experience is it? Or is it!!
Boats IMO are a totally different Navy and are only comparable to Small ships when it comes to the camaradre and fun that can be had.
Perhaps you did a year on a sweeper as well!!

Who said I joined up at 16 1/2? I joined Repulse in 1992 and when I left it had a bit of time inboard I joined the Illustrious in 1996 to take part in a deployment sailing from Pompey and participating in such delights as Exercise Purple Star returning to join Sovereign a few months later.

Anyway onto your last point, as As Sovereign was in refit, I joined the Blackwater for a few weeks and did some NI stuff, so in answer to your question, yes I did do some time on a sweeper.

Anyway, dont let me shoot you down in shit, come back be offensive again and see where else you can highlight your lack of ability to read and decipher posts..

Jog on......

Bas

I am not sure if a few months on Illustrous and a couple of weeks on a sweeper as a Junior/Ordinary Seaman really counts as General Service sea which is long enough to get any real feel for the job. We were thing about at least two 18 month commissions around the world.

Nutty

Perfectly valid point you raise and ti make it you didnt need to get offensive :thumright: Point taken and it will hopefully get us back onto the OP question.

Only question I would raise from that is how many Service personnel who join the RN these days will benefit from an 18 month deployment around the world? But again that digresses slightly from the OP question. I shall keep quiet now :)
 
Re: Other than the Money, what are the real advantages to bo

Bawsack said:
Nutty said:
Bawsack said:
Polycell said:
Bawsack said:
Did you read my post? I guess you ignored the 'I also did a deployment on a carrier' part then?

Anyway dont let that get in the way of your opinion.
Yes mupp I read your post AND you said you joined boats at 17 1/2 so lets work this out!!!
Joined up at 16, six months training went to sea perhaps at 16 1/2(doubtful!!) then 1 year later into boats uhmm! Hardly experience is it? Or is it!!
Boats IMO are a totally different Navy and are only comparable to Small ships when it comes to the camaradre and fun that can be had.
Perhaps you did a year on a sweeper as well!!

Who said I joined up at 16 1/2? I joined Repulse in 1992 and when I left it had a bit of time inboard I joined the Illustrious in 1996 to take part in a deployment sailing from Pompey and participating in such delights as Exercise Purple Star returning to join Sovereign a few months later.

Anyway onto your last point, as As Sovereign was in refit, I joined the Blackwater for a few weeks and did some NI stuff, so in answer to your question, yes I did do some time on a sweeper.

Anyway, dont let me shoot you down in shit, come back be offensive again and see where else you can highlight your lack of ability to read and decipher posts..

Jog on......

Bas

I am not sure if a few months on Illustrous and a couple of weeks on a sweeper as a Junior/Ordinary Seaman really counts as General Service sea which is long enough to get any real feel for the job. We were thing about at least two 18 month commissions around the world.

Nutty

Perfectly valid point you raise and ti make it you didnt need to get offensive :thumright: Point taken and it will hopefully get us back onto the OP question.

Only question I would raise from that is how many Service personnel who join the RN these days will benefit from an 18 month deployment around the world? But again that digresses slightly from the OP question. I shall keep quiet now :)

Bas

When I say around the world I mean any place outside of home or UK waters. As 7 month deployments seen to be the norm and you can add work up time, FOST BOST or whatever plus maintenance so let say in the modern parlance you need to do two 7 month deployments IMHO opinion before you go into boats.

Trouble is do we have enough ships for young sailors to get enough sea time in. Sea time being of course at sea not tied up in Guzz or Pompey.

Nutty
 

Polycell

War Hero
Re: Other than the Money, what are the real advantages to bo

Bawsack said:
Polycell said:
Bawsack said:
Did you read my post? I guess you ignored the 'I also did a deployment on a carrier' part then?

Anyway dont let that get in the way of your opinion.
Yes mupp I read your post AND you said you joined boats at 17 1/2 so lets work this out!!!
Joined up at 16, six months training went to sea perhaps at 16 1/2(doubtful!!) then 1 year later into boats uhmm! Hardly experience is it? Or is it!!
Boats IMO are a totally different Navy and are only comparable to Small ships when it comes to the camaradre and fun that can be had.
Perhaps you did a year on a sweeper as well!!

Who said I joined up at 16 1/2? I joined Repulse in 1992 and when I left it had a bit of time inboard I joined the Illustrious in 1996 to take part in a deployment sailing from Pompey and participating in such delights as Exercise Purple Star returning to join Sovereign a few months later.

Anyway onto your last point, as As Sovereign was in refit, I joined the Blackwater for a few weeks and did some NI stuff, so in answer to your question, yes I did do some time on a sweeper.

Anyway, dont let me shoot you down in shit, come back be offensive again and see where else you can highlight your lack of ability to read and decipher posts..

Jog on......
You said you joined boats at seventeen and a half and as you supplied no other information other than that as an insight into your Naval career other than this gem!
Bawsack said:
Remember the choice is yours, but I would always choose boats(and I have done a deployment on a carrier as well!!)
What was I meant to surmise?
Except you spent time in Gens., before joining boats so I surmised, obviously wrongly, that you joined up I guessed at 16 did your training and then went to sea.
But that wasn't the whole truth was it!! So as not to confuse a poor old ex P&O diesel submariner (proper submarines) explain yourself fully - thankyou.
So to continue my feelings and opinion
You had a jolly on a carrier! Hardly ships company was it hardly justifies being called any time in General Service!
I did a month in Brighton recruiting office during my OFF Crew time on Repulse hardly qualifies me as a being part of the RN recruiting service!
 

Bawsack

Lantern Swinger
Re: Other than the Money, what are the real advantages to bo

Back in the old days a deployment was about 2 1/2 years was it not?

I did 6 months, which IMO is more than enough time to get to know the workings of a skimmer. It may not be the huge deployments that used to take place when HMS Excellent was HMS Just Sat but, it is long enough.


Any way our petty bitching is detracting from the OPs question so lets agree to disagree and move on.
 

Polycell

War Hero
Re: Other than the Money, what are the real advantages to bo

Ballsack said:
Back in the old days a deployment was about 2 1/2 years was it not?

I did 6 months, which IMO is more than enough time to get to know the workings of a skimmer. It may not be the huge deployments that used to take place when HMS Excellent was HMS Just Sat but, it is long enough.


Any way our petty bitching is detracting from the OPs question so lets agree to disagree and move on.
Depends what you call a deployment. FES or any other foreign trip was 18 months. Usual time spent on a skimmer was dependant on you especially in home waters.
Yes 6 months may be enough time to evaluate the workings of a surface craft I didn't say it wasn't. BUT you didn't say that did you?
And what does this mean
Ballsack said:
...........that used to take place when HMS Excellent was HMS Just Sat ............
 

BARNEYRNSM

War Hero
Having just left the RN and teaching SMQ for my last three years I can tell you that anyone who does not make the grade at SMQ has to be a really keen bloke to get the instructors to try and keep him in as a general service rating. I used to take great delight in informing the wasters that slipped thro the net to SMQ how S/Ms are not an easy option and
are hard work but the pay and the lads you work with make it all worthwhile. If was 18 now I would do it all again,GS then go boats.
DBFMA
 

shaddythers

Badgeman
Re: Other than the Money, what are the real advantages to bo

I agree. I can think of only one rating who was returned General Service. The powers that be briefly tried sending skimmer wastage over, but they wouldnt make it past week three of SMQ!
That soon put that idea to bed. So its a myth that all the dross end up on boats.
 

clanky

War Hero
Re: Other than the Money, what are the real advantages to bo

shaddythers said:
I agree. I can think of only one rating who was returned General Service. The powers that be briefly tried sending skimmer wastage over, but they wouldnt make it past week three of SMQ!
That soon put that idea to bed. So its a myth that all the dross end up on boats.

How times have changed. There where 4 ex sundodgers just in my last mess.I can think of several acquaintances who have also made the jump. Whilst most of them claim to have enjoyed their time on boats, the general concensus seems to be that the extra money is no longer worth the candle.
Hence the changes to SM manning currently in the pipeline(allegedly :thumright: )
 
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