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One hundred top brass get marching orders in new defence cuts to save £4million a yea

tiddlyoggy

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I think the steward branch will always be a contentious issue. To say that they all do nothing all day long is absurd though. Perhaps the lads aren't the hardest working people onboard, but the CPO/PO steward on a frigate or destroyer does have a real job. The real issue though is the wartime scenario, where do get dedicated first aid parties from? I've heard the argument of carrying extra stokers or dabbers etc, but I'm really not sure that it would work, I'd hate for us to go to a conflict situation with "experimental" first aid parties in place.
 

tiddlyoggy

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Book Reviewer
I know that comment was tongue in cheek Jimbo, but on my last two frigates we very rarely had a CPO's messman.
 
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guestm

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I know that comment was tongue in cheek Jimbo, but on my last two frigates we very rarely had a CPO's messman.

I think it was in reference to Dabber11's cry-fest about stewards and the fact we should chop off other people to do their job as a secondary duty.

He's a genius.
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I know mate. But I wanted to set the record straight about the existence of CPO's messman as a given. In my experience it is the first job to be binned when struggling for manpower, rightly so though, may I add. If CPO's can't keep their own mess clean they're not fit to hold that rate.
 
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angrydoc

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My apologies - it reads badly. What I meant was that when on OPTAG etc and chatting to random warfare ABs, they are of the opinion that senior officers have a personal steward, don't do their own ironing or polishing or anything really. That clearly isn't the case but they are amazed to hear it. That's what I was getting at. The closest I have got to being spoiled by a steward was being given one of those stinking air fresheners they have at sea.


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slim

War Hero
My apologies - it reads badly. What I meant was that when on OPTAG etc and chatting to random warfare ABs, they are of the opinion that senior officers have a personal steward, don't do their own ironing or polishing or anything really. That clearly isn't the case but they are amazed to hear it. That's what I was getting at. The closest I have got to being spoiled by a steward was being given one of those stinking air fresheners they have at sea.


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You Lucky lucky barsteward, in our day you would have been offered at least a blow job, this was in the days when there were no gays in the navy of course:smilebox:
 

Ninja_Stoker

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Moderator
The closest I have got to being spoiled by a steward was being given one of those stinking air fresheners they have at sea.
Jammy so and so.

Thirty-two years in the mob and not once did I get one of those, no matter how much I pleaded. :sad:
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I can't comment on ROMFT, ATG, as I don't do it. However, while I do think the veterans leave themselves open to abuse with some wildly innacurate comments, I can't subscribe to the silly old, piss stained bastards, have no right to post on here, point of view. After all we all hope to be sillly old bastards one day.
 
I have no problem with piss stained old bastards posting on here; I do have a problem with them thinking that their experience in the 60s and 70s bears much relation to today's RN, and then refusing to admit that things might have changed when presented with evidence to the contrary.
 
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Binning Stewards? Humph!

Some here might recall that anquish, pain and horror suffered by the entire commissioned cadre which was only akin to the lower lubbers losing the Tot.

I refer you to the demise of RN catering's once-finest -

The Cook (O) Branch. RIP.
 
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guestm

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this was in the days when there were no gays in the navy of course:smilebox:

Homosexuality didn't exist until 1999. Something had to be done about women serving at sea though.
 

slim

War Hero
I have no problem with piss stained old bastards posting on here; I do have a problem with them thinking that their experience in the 60s and 70s bears much relation to today's RN, and then refusing to admit that things might have changed when presented with evidence to the contrary.

This piss stained old barsteward would like to apologise for putting his quill pen to use and requests information on what drastic changes have occured to duties performed by the stewards.
I am aware that Duvets have replaced sheets and blankets, and most occifers now have iPhones which can be set to wake them up. Unfortunately these iPhones are crap at deliverering a nice cup of char:jocolor:
 

Ageing_Gracefully

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Personally I blame steam. The Navy was so much better when under sail. The times when men were men and boys were for pleasure.:cuddle:
 

slim

War Hero
Well ...

Stewards don't make the beds of the officers on board warships, they do that themselves; Stewards don't wake the officers up, they have call the hands to do that (you know, like the rest of the Ship's Company?); Stewards don't bring cups of tes to the officers in the morning, there are perfectly good wetting facilities in the Wardroom mess for that; Stewards don't serve at every meal on board (as much as the bitter and twisted would like to imagine that they do); Stewards form the lions share of the first aid parties on board (not sure if they used to or not); Stewards clean their own part of ship (much like the rest of the ships company, but probably not as much as the dabbers - mind you, no-one on board cleans as much as the dabbers as you have to give them something to do when not watching a round, green TV for hours on end!).

I know that some of this will be a revelation to some as they firmly believe (and wish to continue doing so as it helps them to retain their bitter and twisted view of the officer cadre) that Stewards are purely lackies for the officers on board. But I will also say, if you didn't like it when you were in, you should maybe have tried harder and got yourself a commission so that you could have lashed yourself up on all these mystery perks. :dontknow:


Ooooooh havn't we got our knickers in a twist.
Having been to sea on several pusers war canoes after leaving the RN in an Occifer status job which involved living in the bun house I have seen what the stewards do, or rather did as this was between 1985 and 1992.
If they are now doing even less they really must have it cushy.
I agree that they make a fine first aid party, but an even better cock & arse party.
When I was in why would I have wanted a commision? I would have been commisioned as SD(AV) officer and given gash jobs like transport, security and other things I didn't want to do. I ws very happy mending aeroplanes thank you.:jocolor:
 

cjg375

Lantern Swinger
Well ...

Stewards don't make the beds of the officers on board warships, they do that themselves; Stewards don't wake the officers up, they have call the hands to do that (you know, like the rest of the Ship's Company?); Stewards don't bring cups of tes to the officers in the morning, there are perfectly good wetting facilities in the Wardroom mess for that; Stewards don't serve at every meal on board (as much as the bitter and twisted would like to imagine that they do); Stewards form the lions share of the first aid parties on board (not sure if they used to or not); Stewards clean their own part of ship (much like the rest of the ships company, but probably not as much as the dabbers - mind you, no-one on board cleans as much as the dabbers as you have to give them something to do when not watching a round, green TV for hours on end!).

I know that some of this will be a revelation to some as they firmly believe (and wish to continue doing so as it helps them to retain their bitter and twisted view of the officer cadre) that Stewards are purely lackies for the officers on board. But I will also say, if you didn't like it when you were in, you should maybe have tried harder and got yourself a commission so that you could have lashed yourself up on all these mystery perks. :dontknow:

So in that case what exactly do they do then? They are first aid party but I'm not aware of huge numbers of medical incidents to fill their time. They clean their own areas of the ship much as the JRs of other departments do, often after they've finished their department work, they don't do stuff for the officers or serve at all meals so once again I ask what the hell are they doing to justify their jobs. As for it being better having them as first aiders, I've done a couple of first aid courses and many of these 'specialists' barely pass the course. Not sure I'm that happy being treated by someone who only got 70% in the exam.

I realise that the SR stewards have bigger admin responsibilities, running the wardroom accounts but the SRs messes have people who do that voluntarily as an addition to their job. Try as I might I still find it nigh on impossible to justify this branch.


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