One hundred top brass get marching orders in new defence cuts to save £4million a yea

I'm going to buck the trend here and support the senior officers, if you are going to cull the people at the very top of the armed forces, the ones who have been there, done that, changed this and improved that. Who have shown that they are the very best that the UK has to offer, have made the rank of General, then quite frankly the UK armed forces are ****ed.

I know the usual crowd will comment "More admirals than ships" or "The armed forces are top heavy" but with joint multi national HQ's being the norm today the UK needs it's top draw officers.
 

Ninja_Stoker

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Almost 100 top brass will be made redundant or see their posts disappear in the next two years,

The RN currently has over 110 Commodores/Brigadiers & Admirals. It was announced last year that the proposed redundancies for Commodores/Brigadiers and upwards had been shelved in the Naval service. This was presumably decided by Commodores/Brigadiers and upwards.

Unless this is a more recent reversal of that decision, it is more likely the portfolio of post titles will simply be reduced or re-branded.
 
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guestm

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About time too. For too long we have held onto top brass who really have feck all to do:laughing3:

Do you honestly believe that? Really? In your mind is there a club where all these senior officers just sit around in a wood panelled room serving each other gin from a gold embellished globe drinks trolley before nipping out for a game of croquet?
 

slim

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So please enlighten me as to what the top brass ALL do to deserve their highly paid positions in todays TOY navy.
We have more top brass than ships.
 

slim

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I regret you lost all your credibility in one fell swoop there, Slim. :-(

So do you really believe that we now have a credible Navy?
In my opinion the RN has been decimated to such an extent thet we would be incapable of defending the UK and its protectorates.
Do we really need so many top brass?
 
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guestm

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So please enlighten me as to what the top brass ALL do to deserve their highly paid positions in todays TOY navy.
We have more top brass than ships.

Boom.

A bit early to start drinking chap. You're normally a fairly reasoned bloke but my god you're wide of the mark here.
 

slim

War Hero
Boom.

A bit early to start drinking chap. You're normally a fairly reasoned bloke but my god you're wide of the mark here.

Well as I stated enlighten me, someone must be able to justify the need for so much top brass for such a small fleet.
Prove to me that I am wide of the mark.
Justify the existance of ALL the senior occifers.
 
Well as I stated enlighten me, someone must be able to justify the need for so much top brass for such a small fleet.
Prove to me that I am wide of the mark.
Justify the existance of ALL the senior occifers.

Don't forget the media usually includes members of the Royal Family, senior medical officers and RM generals when they quote the number of 'Admirals' in the Royal Navy.

I'm no longer aware of what ALL the RN's senior officers do but here are some of the jobs:

Area Flag Officers
Commanders of UK Battle Staffs
Heading Sea Training
Senior MOD Appointments (Defence Intelligence - the Boss is an Admiral/Policy/Procurement/Logistics/FCO Liaison/Maritime Liaison, etc)
Leading tri-service IPTs (Integrated Project Teams) running equipment projects worth billions of pounds
Senior Joint HQ appointments
Senior RN HQ appointments
Senior NATO HQ appointments where parity with foreign counterparts is required
Senior EU HQ appointments where parity with foreign counterparts is required
Naval Attaches/Defence Attaches on embassy staffs worldwide where parity with foreign counterparts is required

More detail here:

RN website: Senior Naval Staff

From the above list, the number of active Admirals in the RN appears to be:

0 Admirals of the Fleet
1 Admiral
7 Vice Admirals
22 Rear Admirals

The requirement for RN senior officers doesn't just depend on the number of ships, submarines, aircraft squadrons, RM Commandos and other units (e.g. Fleet Diving Squadron, Forward Support Units, etc.) in the Naval Service. For example, COMUKMARFOR in the above list is also the Operation Commander of the European Union Naval Force off Somalia (link).

Apart from being nonsense numerically, the accusation that the RN has more admirals than ships fails to take into account RN senior officers' (and thereby the UK's) influential involvement further afield.
 
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