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One carrier to be re-designed - so ?????????

off_les_aura said:
Joint_Force_Harrier said:
****BREAKING NEWS****

All kicking off at Cott/Witt!!

News to follow when I get a safeguard on the rumours!!!

Lets have a fcuking rumble!!!! Crabs v WAFUs on the hardstanding :) :)

Latest, all jets (RN & Crab) in the shed AF'd. Everyone sent home untill pre-determined time for another brief.
All told to update JPA with preferences!!! :(

Looks like the end of Fixed wing Naval Aviation.

Black armband tomorrow.

More when confirmed
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Having just read the embargoed RAF SDSR brief I am stunned!!!!

J_F_H you will be equally stunned, embargoe lifts at 1530. Will type more then :)
 

K640

War Hero
Is it Ocean that has a kind of step where 2 halves of the hull join up? Sure I've heard something along those lines somehere.
 
Hermes, normally I'd find them hilarious too but unfortunately the view of the uneducated masses appears to also be the view of those that make the decisions. It's all to depressing to be funny.
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No it's no joke and i'm extremely concerned about the future of the RN / RFA in particular. It's just my way of dealing the stressful events today as they unfold. Not only worrying times but dark days.

Carriers with no aircraft? It's like buying a bath and not putting any taps on it but billions more costly. As to the rest of the fleet at the moment it's all up in the air until 15.30.

Those who are a party to the embargo can you give any cryptic clues ?

Definitely black armbands.
 

wurz

Lantern Swinger
wave_dodger said:
Having just read the embargoed RAF SDSR brief I am stunned!!!!

J_F_H you will be equally stunned, embargoe lifts at 1530. Will type more then :)

Awww. Can't you just stick it on Wiki leaks? :wink:
 

Uncle_Albert

War Hero
Scouse_Castaway said:
Worrying times we live in now. Always knew a Tory Govt would be bad for us, like a dose of the plague

The Tory-LibDem coalition are making hard cuts that have to be made (we might not agree with where the axe falls, but fall it must). For finger-pointing, direct your digit towards the previous government.
 
Uncle_Albert said:
Scouse_Castaway said:
Worrying times we live in now. Always knew a Tory Govt would be bad for us, like a dose of the plague

The Tory-LibDem coalition are making hard cuts that have to be made (we might not agree with where the axe falls, but fall it must). For finger-pointing, direct your digit towards the previous government.

Perhaps we should also point it at the two govts before the last one too. Cant lay the blame for everything purely at the door of Labour despite their piss poor performance in Govt
 

K640

War Hero
Yes the cuts have to be made and yes you can look to the previous govt. for why. The problem is that the current govt. has made the decisions very quickly and (judging from Dave's comments mentioned on another thread) without having a fcuking clue what they're up to. I'm not proclaiming myself to be an expert, but based on the fact that I no the difference beween Typhoon/Tornado and FAA/RAF it would appear that I know a bit more than Dave.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
ROYAL NAVY Key Messages

• The UK will keep a nuclear deterrent based on Trident and continuous at-sea deterrence.
• The Royal Navy will retain significant submarine, surface ship and amphibious capabilities.
• We are radically altering the Carrier programme. We will build two but only use one routinely,fitted with catapults and arrestor gear and operating the more capable CV variant of the Joint Strike Fighter.
• The Royal Navy will decrease by about 5,000 personnel to around 30,000 in 2015, but there will be no changes to Royal Marine combat units involved in Afghanistan operations.

ARMY Key Messages

• There will be no changes to Army combat units
• We will, however, make around 7,000 reductions
• We intend to restructure the Army’s 6 manoeuvre
optimised for the kind of challenges we expect
• We will retain the ability to deploy, at best effort,
with appropriate maritime and air support.

ROYAL AIR FORCE Key Messages

• We plan to build a combined fast jet fleet of the more capable Carrier Variant Joint Strike Fighter and Typhoon aircraft in the next decade and will asses the balance between the two platforms in the next Defence Review.
• The decision to retire our Harriers, not bring the Nimrod MRA4 into service and reduce the number of Tornados shows the very difficult choices we had to make to focus resources in support of current operations.
• The RAF’s Air Transport Force will be rationalised as quickly as possible to consist of the most modern and capable aircraft types: A400M, C17 and A330 FSTA.
• The RAF will reduce to around 33,000 by 2015 and 31,500 by 2020.
• Reductions in the RAF will not affect Operations in Afghanistan and priority areas of capability will not be compromised.

We will be decommissioning HMS Ark Royal, either HMS Illustrious or HMS Ocean subject to further work to determine which will provide greater capability, four destroyers or frigates and a Bay class amphibious support ship. We will also be placing either HMS Albion or HMS Bulwark at extended readiness. We have not yet decided which specific DD/FF or
Bay class ships will be decommissioned.

The withdrawal of Nimrod MRA4 and Harrier, as well as the reduction in size of the Tornado fleet, will mean that RAF Kinloss and two other bases (Cottesmore & Lyneham) will no longer be required as RAF operating bases. No decisions have been taken on the future use of any base affected. Future rationalisation to consider Lossiemouth / Leeming / Wittering

MOD-wide Civilian reduction of 25,000 by 2015; DE&S 20% cut in Cat C & D projects 30% cut in manpower.

We plan to make total reductions of around 17,000 Service personnel by 2015: Royal Navy to decrease by around 5,000 to c.30,000 personnel; Army to decrease by around 7,000 to c.95,000 personnel; and the RAF to decrease by around 5,000 to c.33,000 personnel. The redundancy programme will be conducted in 3 tranches and it is anticipated that it will be to be completed by 2014.

It is unsustainable and inappropriate to continue with the current package of allowances. We therefore plan to rationalise service allowances by around £250M a year. Will the Continuation of Education Allowance (CEA – sometimes known as Boarding School Allowance) be stopped?
We haven’t decided. Details of changes to individual allowances will be promulgated once decisions have been taken.
 
Fcuk me, they canned the Nimrod replacement. Why the hell didnt they do it a long time ago and just buy off the shelf. Thanks for the post wave dodger.

Worrying turn of affairs the SDSR but it seems that its not AS BAD as maybe was feared. Still, seems a rather shakey arrangement but only time will tell. The British Armed Forces will adapt and overcome as they have done every other time a Govt has swung an axe.

Does the SDSR lay out any changes to the stance on the future of the Falklands etc?
 
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