Discussion in 'The Afterlife - Resettlement and Jobs' started by witsend, Jun 27, 2013.

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  1. witsend

    witsend War Hero Book Reviewer

    I thought I would start one here because there seems to be a bit of interest. There is one on arse which is massive, but full of good info.

    To get started and your arse on a flight you need a medical, BOSIET & MIST. Differences of opinion on this. Some will say pay for it yourself and others will say the company will pay for it. My company paid for it, but my contract had a clause that I had to pay the cost back if I left before a peroid of time. My thoughts are if you have these ticks in the boxes its one less obstacle. I'm sure someone will be along with a different opinion.
  2. As an employee I would expect your company to pay for the courses maybe with a return of service caveat and as a freelancer you will have to pay yourself. Safety Certification is pretty universal but medical standards do differ. Norway has just agreed to recognise the UK medical cert but as yet nothing reciprocal.

    I work in survey and until this year we were just passengers on the vessels we worked on and followed Oil and Gas regs for safety and survival however this is now all changing and numerous countries expect survey personnel to meet maritime regs for safety and survival at the same time that the client expects them to meet Oil and Gas regs, its a bit of a shit fight at the moment.

    Certainly from the survey side there is loads there for ex WEs as engineers and MEs as compressor mechanics and obviously droggies as droggies. Most people start as employees but quite a few quickly realise that working for themselves is far better. I started of as an employed engineer ex CPOWEA and then broke out freelance and in 12 years have climbed the ladder in the survey industry. I will not give exact figures as they vary but I only work 4 months a year and go out for not less than £600/day.
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  3. Subsunk

    Subsunk Badgeman Book Reviewer

    Companies do differ a lot in their various terms and conditions - I was ready to take any deal to break into the sector, and I dipped in with a good number in the North Sea.

    Personal contacts are vital - all my strongest leads, one of which led to this role, were gained by face to face contact with senior personnel at job fairs or through networking. HR are basically there to fob you off in the first instance, as the industry prefers poaching skills from competitors over taking risks on new hires a lot of the time. This makes sense I suppose, but the industry is now facing a skills shortage as the more senior members of the workforce retire.

    This is good news for service leavers, as long as you can bridge the gap between the forces and offshore, and once ex-forces get their foot in the door, they often do well (some come across as cocky, and this is a no-no, as your reputation in a fairly small world such as this is critical).

    In summary, it looks like a good time to be coming in to oil and gas, but don't expect it to be as swept up as military life in terms of getting recruited and trained. I'm loving it. Easter leave every fortnight, and my human rights back!
  4. Mate just trying to show that you can get as far as you want. It really is a second career and not just a post pusser job. This time next year we'll be millionaires Rodney.

    I agree with Subsunk about poaching, even on the survey side of the industry, it is very common. Some jobs are so specialised its easier and quicker to steal someone else's expert than train one yourself. As a company man I am often asked for recommendations for personnel for specific tasks if I have identified a shortcoming.
  5. Are you guys in engineering roles or survey?
  6. I am an ex CPOWEA who became a Survey Engineer and worked my way up from there.
  7. There was a full page Business Recruitment ad for a company called Wood Group Mustang in the Evening Standard this week.

  8. There's another programme about the Offshore world on Radio 4 this evening:

    "The headlines are full of energy shortages and the potential of UK onshore shale gas discoveries. But what's happening in and under the North Sea where Britain's energy revolution began almost 40 years ago? Peter Day reports from Aberdeen.

    There's record investment of more than 13 billion pounds this year in the North Sea oil and gas industry but production is down as the oil has become harder to extract. Aberdeen itself is booming: there is virtually no unemployment and it has become a global hub of technical expertise, with international firms specialising in the technology and equipment needed to extract the oil. The big oil companies are moving further away to the West of the Shetland Isles in search of large new fields while smaller entrepreneurial firms are exploring for, and producing, oil from the older fields. Meanwhile national oil companies from Korea and China are buying their way in through take-overs."

    BBC Radio 4 - In Business, North Sea Oil
  9. Not sure on your angle but the MW bit even REMUS doesn't convert. I am a huge survey EOD project as we speak and all the surveyors have degrees and a shed load of years behind them.
  10. ?????

    I know your a bit behind the times, being I/C heads and bathrooms.

    But I don't believe for one minute that muppetry would relate to civvey ROV, it is a bespoke 6k course to be a JR technician/pilot according to Aberdeen red star, my "angle" was from the RN HM route.

    What are you up to in the off shore world?

    P.S. my first response Froggy was supposed to be "cheers dits"
  11. Quite a lot of commercial confidence, but a three year oil and gas project off Iraq. All good and redders!
  12. Ive just started in the Industry, so still finding my feet. The company has started me off in Geotechnical Survey, if you've ever kept a watch in Commcen or MDC, its basically that. Very little engineering involved, and you're watch about with a Surveyor. Like Rab says, youre a guest on the vessel.
    Obviously money at the moment is about parity with what I left the mob as a CPO, but obviously MOD pension on top of that. This is because the first job you do you start off as trainee status. To be frank, whenI left the RN I was so relieved just to get a job, let alone an offshore job, that i didnt really negotiate my retainer that well, but hey ho, you live and learn.
    As Rab has stated, as people progress and make a reputation in the field the potential to earn very high wages is almost academic. Although I know a few ex matelots who given the option to go freelance, have renegotiated contracts and won substanial salary increases(around the 60-70+ grand pa), therefore keeping benefits like BUPA and life assurance.
    But freelancer earning $600 a day, well the maths isnt hard.
    I suppose its a personal choice, at the moment Im just happy to be out of the mob and into a second career and not some shit tireless 9-5 crap. Or stayed in and 5 years later may've attained the lofty heights of WO2 and the massive pay increase that entails. In five years time I could also be on Rab's film star wages. I'll certainly be drawing more than any of my peers still serving and have a life I can control.
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  13. We prefer to use pressure heads on UXO jobs as they are cheaper to replace than ROVs should something go wrong. :tongue:
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  14. To Witsend

    Depends on the company, some will put you through the BOSIET/HUET/MIST courses others want to see your certs before employing you, same applies in the Supply industry where I am, with the same clauses, nothing like seeing a job advertised requiring these tickets to make you think it may have been a good idea to do the course on your own rather than wait on the "goodwill" of a yet to be named company.
    Glad you got your start though.
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  15. Mmmmmmmm to me how I get mine is quite significant, freezing my b*&@%$ks of in a pool in UK or a nice warm pool in Singapore............ Just saying like :wink:
  16. I'm ex MW and also ex Remus trained through the Mob, it stood me in good stead and it converted well, there were 4 of us leaving at roughly the same time ( all muppets) and all of us have gone with different survey companies that operate AUV's. I would definitely recommend offshore work as I only work 6 months a year and take home after tax a substantial amount.

    Not bad for a muppet...

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  17. Seafox is still classed as a class 1 / 2 ROV. Some of the skills you learn in Minewarfare like the rigging and spatial awareness from driving seafox does help with the practical side, the old atyle OM course also helped out with Hydraulics and Electrical. Definitely being a Remus operator and Supervisor stood me in good stead as the operators have more experience than civvy operators. The course I attended at Windermere costs about £2580 lasts for 2 weeks and on the back of that course they send out your cv to companies that are recruiting. Very good value for money. Out for just over a year had 2 promotions at work. Do not regret leaving one bit.

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  18. Oh you pay tax? How quaint! ;-)
  19. Hahaha not when I get my days in old bean...

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