Officers and submarines

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  1. I'm considering joining as an officer, either WAFU or Warfare (but please don't debate the relative merits here, I get enough on either side from everywhere else!)
    In preperation for AIB I'm researching everything I'm interested in doing in the RN, and one of those things is being a PWO on a submarine. I realise if I say this at AIB they're going to ask me a question about it, so it makes sense to ask you first.
    Basically, what do PWOs on submarines do that PWOs on surface fleet ships don't? Would I go through the RNSMS course, or is it at all different? Also, do I get to wear those very nice looking dolphins at the end of it all? :D

  2. When I was on boats we did'nt have a PWO.
    Things may have changed but the organisation was as such;
    There were a number of junior officers with tiltles such as CASO, CBO etc but these were for junior officers still training obviously they had to have some sort of responsibility. I would imagine the PWO role would be shared between the watch leaders TSO and TASO and the XO. Its worth remembering that boats dont have seperate control rooms and bridges so the whole fight, float, manoeuvre thing is ran from the control room where the ships controls are as well as the operation room type things ie soundroom etc.
  3. Jones, were the CO and XO PWO/WO at some point though? I was under the impression that a lot of COs were trained as WOs.
  4. Yes they would have been warfare officers but because they had gone down the submarine path I doubt they would have had the oppurtunity to do a PWO job (I could be wrong). Sorry when I did my post at this end it was set up as a family tree with the CO at the top.
    Don't call me Jones sunshine your not an officer yet :wink: only joking what else you meant to call me last time I was called that was 2000. Jonah from now on. :wink:
  5. Thanks Jonah :wink:
  6. I thought it was the normal practice that when an officer failed "Perishers" that he went back to skimmers as a PWO.
  7. Ah, having looked at the website again, I would get dolphins. Well, that's the most important question answered :D.
    Can't find out what Perishers are though, are they like FOST?
    Edit: On further inspection there are rounds in the... Oh wait. On further research I've found that it's a submarine command course. I gather that's further leadership training and testing?
  8. Its the Commanding Officers Qualifying Course (Command Course). Mostly Tactical and how to drive a boat!!!
  9. On the early Bombers there was a PWEO
    Polaris weapons officer .

    Perisher is a course designed to test a first watch officer [XO] and see if he is competent to command a Submarine as a Captain .
    If he fails then he is usually removed from the Submarine service due to the advancement prospects being nil if he continues on boats!
  10. That "PWEO" must have been really early. I remember(1971-74) the Polaris Systems Officer (PSO) and his chum the Assistant Polaris Systems Officer (APSO).
    Then there was the Marine Engineering Officer (MEO) and his winger the AMEO. TASO, Nav.Officer, Supply Officer, SCO (Comms), who all did OOW duties. I'm assuming we had a WEO and DWEO, but I can't seem to put faces to them. Oh and an MO. XO and.... oh yes, the CO !
  11. Sorry Goeff by early bombers I meant the R class.

    Yes you are right --I think my first bomber had a PSO and APSO but then the great change of branches came about--again when they did the great move with MEM L and MEM M WEM O etc etc
    The PSO became the WEO. the APSO became PWEO and they had a AWEO who did fwd systems /fwd electrics .
    Aft Engineering MEO and the black gang stayed as was.

    Electrical branch --the most name changed cross threaded branch in the RN.
  12. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    To be fair, I believe that it is generally accepted that the Perisher course is the best and hardest there is, even the almighty Yanks have started sending some of their people over.

    In my day if they failed Perisher they went back to General Service, no options and no return to boats. In extreme circumstances, and I have witnessed this, if a trainee Perisher made a cock up which failed him during the course, the boat surfaced and the MFV came out and took the failed Officer off the boat then and there. I can't even begin to imagine what that must have done to the mans mental state.
  13. I can't quite tell if it's a good thing that this sounds like a challenge to me more than anything :twisted:
  14. A watch leader is the SM equivalent of the surface fleet PWO

    In essence, both are trained and qualified to 'fight' the ship/SM when it is in defence watches (which is SOP for SMs) on behalf of the CO/XO

    Depending on the situation they have delegated authority to do all sorts of things - normally they do not initiate offensive action though

    The tasks are similar as they require the same skill sets but of course the environment is different and PWOs do some things (eg helicopter ops/anti air warfare) that SM WLs don't and vice versa. In particular there are SM-specific safety issues that the surface ship PWO would not need to deal with

    To be a WL you need to be an experienced SMer, hence PWOs almost invariably do not become WLs. Transfers in the other direction are reasonably common as most SMs can change to surface ships (they will have served on them as junior officers ) and as I said before the skill sets are similar.

    Perisher failures are far from being incompetent; it is a very tough qualification. Anyone selected for Perisher is likely to make a fine PWO - that is the route most who don't pass choose to follow and promotion [and command] prosects once qualified are very good (after all they were good promotion prospects to get on the Perisher in the first place)

    So if you want to be an SM 'PWO' [and it is the only route to the Perisher and SM command], you must go into submarines at the earliest opportunity

    Good luck at the AIB
  15. As a future sm warfare officer you will be expected to begin your career as a skimmer where you will learn basic navigation and officer skills etc. When you have completed your Specialist Fleet Time (around 18 months into your time in the Navy) you will transfer to the SM fleet and train at HMS Raleigh where the new submarine school is. From here you will join a boat to get your BSQ and Dolphins under your belt as a Junior Warfare Officer (CBO, CASSO, CORRO) then progress your career upto the dizzy heights of watch leader.
  16. The RAN is short of submariners and look like taking intakes straight into submarines. I hope this does not include the Officers. The mind boggles as to the cock-ups just waiting to happen
  17. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    Just looking at this list made me smile, that would have been nearly half the crew of a diesel boat, from memory (no doubt to be corrected) on an A, P or O Boat

    Jimmy (when did he become Americanised to XO?)
    Gash Hand (Junior and did everything left from those above him)

    I think that was it, all none engineering type Senior Rates did second Officer of the Watch on the Surface. One of lifes pleasures was to tell the OOW his land bearing had given you a large cocked hat when plotted.
    I remember as an Acting Unpaid POTEL in the Far Flung, doing the chart work and thinking it must come automatically with the promotion because no one showed me how to do it, it was just expected that you would get on and deal with it.

  18. Send them to us.

    We will train them properly for you.

    Do you have a tank over there.
  19. Bin there , done that.

    Remember lots of fun with the Decca navigator and the Loran ??

    All over the bloody place.
  20. Ok. Yes there is a tank

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