Officers and submarines

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Blapto

Guest
I'm considering joining as an officer, either WAFU or Warfare (but please don't debate the relative merits here, I get enough on either side from everywhere else!)
In preperation for AIB I'm researching everything I'm interested in doing in the RN, and one of those things is being a PWO on a submarine. I realise if I say this at AIB they're going to ask me a question about it, so it makes sense to ask you first.
Basically, what do PWOs on submarines do that PWOs on surface fleet ships don't? Would I go through the RNSMS course, or is it at all different? Also, do I get to wear those very nice looking dolphins at the end of it all? :D

Thanks
 

Jones265R

Badgeman
When I was on boats we did'nt have a PWO.
Things may have changed but the organisation was as such;
CO
XO
WEO MEO
DWEO DMEO
TSO TASO SO
NAVS
CASO CBO
There were a number of junior officers with tiltles such as CASO, CBO etc but these were for junior officers still training obviously they had to have some sort of responsibility. I would imagine the PWO role would be shared between the watch leaders TSO and TASO and the XO. Its worth remembering that boats dont have seperate control rooms and bridges so the whole fight, float, manoeuvre thing is ran from the control room where the ships controls are as well as the operation room type things ie soundroom etc.
 
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Blapto

Guest
Jones, were the CO and XO PWO/WO at some point though? I was under the impression that a lot of COs were trained as WOs.
 

Jones265R

Badgeman
Yes they would have been warfare officers but because they had gone down the submarine path I doubt they would have had the oppurtunity to do a PWO job (I could be wrong). Sorry when I did my post at this end it was set up as a family tree with the CO at the top.
Don't call me Jones sunshine your not an officer yet :wink: only joking what else you meant to call me last time I was called that was 2000. Jonah from now on. :wink:
 

Nigaramus

Lantern Swinger
I thought it was the normal practice that when an officer failed "Perishers" that he went back to skimmers as a PWO.
 
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Blapto

Guest
Ah, having looked at the website again, I would get dolphins. Well, that's the most important question answered :D.
Can't find out what Perishers are though, are they like FOST?
Edit: On further inspection there are rounds in the... Oh wait. On further research I've found that it's a submarine command course. I gather that's further leadership training and testing?
 

Nigaramus

Lantern Swinger
Blapto said:
Ah, having looked at the website again, I would get dolphins. Well, that's the most important question answered :D.
Can't find out what Perishers are though, are they like FOST?
Edit: On further inspection there are rounds in the... Oh wait. On further research I've found that it's a submarine command course. I gather that's further leadership training and testing?

Its the Commanding Officers Qualifying Course (Command Course). Mostly Tactical and how to drive a boat!!!
 
On the early Bombers there was a PWEO
Polaris weapons officer .


Perisher is a course designed to test a first watch officer [XO] and see if he is competent to command a Submarine as a Captain .
If he fails then he is usually removed from the Submarine service due to the advancement prospects being nil if he continues on boats!
 

Geoff_Wessex

Lantern Swinger
Greenie said:
On the early Bombers there was a PWEO
Polaris weapons officer .


Perisher is a course designed to test a first watch officer [XO] and see if he is competent to command a Submarine as a Captain .
If he fails then he is usually removed from the Submarine service due to the advancement prospects being nil if he continues on boats!

That "PWEO" must have been really early. I remember(1971-74) the Polaris Systems Officer (PSO) and his chum the Assistant Polaris Systems Officer (APSO).
Then there was the Marine Engineering Officer (MEO) and his winger the AMEO. TASO, Nav.Officer, Supply Officer, SCO (Comms), who all did OOW duties. I'm assuming we had a WEO and DWEO, but I can't seem to put faces to them. Oh and an MO. XO and.... oh yes, the CO !
 
Sorry Goeff by early bombers I meant the R class.

Yes you are right --I think my first bomber had a PSO and APSO but then the great change of branches came about--again when they did the great move with MEM L and MEM M WEM O etc etc
The PSO became the WEO. the APSO became PWEO and they had a AWEO who did fwd systems /fwd electrics .
Aft Engineering MEO and the black gang stayed as was.

Electrical branch --the most name changed cross threaded branch in the RN.
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
Greenie said:
On the early Bombers there was a PWEO
Polaris weapons officer .


Perisher is a course designed to test a first watch officer [XO] and see if he is competent to command a Submarine as a Captain .
If he fails then he is usually removed from the Submarine service due to the advancement prospects being nil if he continues on boats!

To be fair, I believe that it is generally accepted that the Perisher course is the best and hardest there is, even the almighty Yanks have started sending some of their people over.

In my day if they failed Perisher they went back to General Service, no options and no return to boats. In extreme circumstances, and I have witnessed this, if a trainee Perisher made a cock up which failed him during the course, the boat surfaced and the MFV came out and took the failed Officer off the boat then and there. I can't even begin to imagine what that must have done to the mans mental state.
 
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