Officer entry vs Rating

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  1. Recently i've been thinking about going down the Officer route as opposed to Rating entry, and there's no way i can put this without sounding arrogant but i think Officer entry would enable me to be the best i can be. However, the problem is i've already gone through the selection process for Rating entry to the point i now have my entry date, if i pulled out now would it have a detrimental effect on any future officer application? Also is there a set time you have to wait before re-application?

  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Frankly, there's no reason why you cannot apply to join as an Officer or a Rating simultaneously.

    It's far better you join as an Officer if you are eligible to do so from the outset.

    In the position you are in now, there are no penalties incurred if you withdraw your application as a Rating to postpone your provisional entry date as a Rating & apply to join as an Officer. If you do not make the grade for Officer, you may re-start your application as a Rating, but your previous entry date will have been re-allocated, so you will join the queue again. (And remain free to apply for AIB/Officer selection at a later stage.)

    If you were one of my candidates, my only query would be: "Why have you waited until now & wasted the time & effort in processing you thus far?". Generally your Careers Adviser will have suggested you apply for Officer entry if you appear to be a viable candidate- candidates who are eligible to join as an officer should at least have a chat with the ACLO if only to confirm they are making the correct choice.

    However, when all's said & done, cost aside (about £5,000 so far) the choice is yours - after all, you don't have to join at all if you do not want to.

    Good luck.
  3. I did start out my application with the intent as going in as an officer, but due to some suggestions (which i now think may have been wrong) i got from a couple of serving members of the RN i decided to change it to a Rating entry.

    I don't want to be a thorn in the AFCOs side by switching so late in the game, however this is pretty much my career i'm choosing here so i want to do it right. I'll give the AFCO a ring tomorrow and see what they think.
  4. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Quite right - the fact that you maybe eligible for Officer suggests outwardly that you should indeed investigate that avenue.

    At risk of patronising: do be aware that many who may be academically qualified for Officer are not necessarily suitable for a wide spectrum of reasons, not least the lack of: management experience, organisiational skills, general life experience, maturity, track record of reliability, and many more reasons too numerous to mention.

    Don't be put off applying as an Officer, but similarly don't rule out joining as a Rating and applying as an Officer later if you do not succeed initially- again, best of luck.
  5. Just to follow on from all the good info Ninja has given you.

    If you are going to stay in the RN for a while without doubt you are better off as an officer. Pay, Pension, living conditions etc far better.

    You can join as a rating and transfer from within. About 30 to 40 per cent of our officer's do it that way.

    Talk to the AFCO, sort out a chat with an ACLO and then make an informed decision

    Good luck

    Neil - Supermario

  6. When you say transfer from within do you mean working your way up the ranks as it were?

    I will talk with the AFCO tomorrow but i think before i make any decision i'll have to wait for my A level results on Thursday, since they will obviously have an impact on my options.
  7. What are you hoping to join as (ie trade)?
  8. To back up what NInja said with an example. . .

    I did the AIB in my 2nd year of A levels at 17. I failed because of lack of leadership skills etc.

    A year later, I am now in the NAvy training to be a MCD with the intent of being a MCDO in afew years if accepted.

    I am glad that I failed, simply because of the invaluble lessons the RN have taught me thus far. Improving confidence etc along with all the other things.

    It's up to you.
  9. ET(WE)
  10. So it would be WE Officer? Are you expecting Maths and Physics A-levels? If the answer is yes, the RN could sponsor you through Uni to the tune of up to £5.5K per year.
    You do need a degree to be an engineer officer.
  11. Yes i'm aware that an engineering degree is necessary for Engineering officer. However i didn't take maths as an A level (i took Physics only), my second choice of entry was Warfare specialist so i would go for Warfare officer entry if the opportunity arose. This was also worrying me since i would not only be changing entry route i would be changing branch, and i was thinking that could be viewed as disloyalty in a way.
  12. It's hardly disloyal - you're volunteering to serve. As you said earlier, it's your career choice. You need to make an informed decsion as we would rather you joined in a branch that you will enjoy working in, therefore being happier and more likely to stay in. I'm obviously biased towards engineering - shame about the lack of maths A-level.
    Good luck in what ever you choose to do.
  13. I've just been accepted for a commission and am in service and I can say I've benefitted from my limited time as an AB, although I am now, sadly, being screwed over as a result.

    I would suggest going in directly if you feel ready as it's simply less of a headache!
  14. Interesting, i don't suppose you're able to elaborate on the 'screwed over' part?
  15. Here
  16. But you say yourself you don't know the reason, so you don't know you're being 'screwed over' yet.
  17. Sounds most of the members of just about every bun house I've ever met, how did they slip through? o_O

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