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Nozzer

Methinks it is not the reaction that Nozzy expected, but then he has never lived on a mess deck/bun house so how would he know about the Pussers "Band of Brothers"

Nutty
 
To err is Human.....

Nozzy admitted that he has fukced up. Fair Game, he admitted it.
And he has spun some dits, who here hasn't? though most are embellishment on actual events, Nozzy created a complete alter ego.

As far as the Admiralty being held to account for HMS Ganges, my dad was sent there in 65, what went on there wasn't far different than what went on at most boarding schools and even state schools at the the time, caning for being out of line. I'm only a young'un at 35 so didn't experience the most extreme of punishments. It was the prevalent attitude in Society in those days.

My own experiences at boarding schools for 10 yrs of my life, have shaped who I am today, and I can relate to things being fairly beastly at times. Overall, I remember the bad with the good, and for the most part the pain both physical and mental inflicted by boys on each other far outweighs any punishment handed out by Teachers/Staff. I have met those that made my life Hell in my younger years a number of years later. ( by then I was 5'11'', 15 stone, studying Judo and working Part Time as a bouncer), and they basically looked at me like "Oh Crap, what is he going to do to me now?", what do I do, I shake their hands, recognize the fact they were evil barstewards when they were teenagers and that it is all in the past. But they guys I went to school with I can talk to them after not having had contact for over 10 yrs and it will feel like we were picking up from 10 minutes ago. I'm sure it's the same with your Shippers and Mess mates.

Britain seems to have become a blame state, I have spent the last 12 yrs living in the States, where the Law Suit rules supreme, this is fast becoming the way of things in Britain.

When I return to my home town to visit, I no longer have the Rose tinted view I once had of my beloved England.

Personal Responsibility seems to non-existent for the most part today.

Whilst my contributions to the defence of the Realm were minor in the extreme. I feel an affinity to those who serve/have served, because they embody those core values of self-reliance and accepting responsibilty not just for themselves but for those under their command. That is why I enjoy both reading and contributing to ARRSE and RR.

Sorry for the rambling post but now for my opinion on Nozzy. This is an open/public moderated forum. If the MOD's believe Nozzy has broken the rules then appropriate action should be taken. I for one believe Nozzy should be allowed to stay in some guise, but maybe not as Nozzy, that is to say a Nozzer, one who has gone to Ganges, which Nozzy has admitted he hasn't, therefore he should remain as Seacat ( though I realise he is not a missile either), this would lead to new members not getting the wrong impression as to his history/service.

And now for the banter

NozzyNozzer said:
As it happens I'm into beards and masculine men (with bodies that don't remind me of my own), preferably in navy blue boiler suits and heavy, highly polished, black boots, but that's just me!!!
Nozzy.

I am a little worried as I once admitted to both Seacat and Nozzy that I was an Engineer in the RNXS, therefore spent most of my time in a Blue Boiler Suit and boots. Sorry guy or guys I'm strictly butter side up.

E_B signing off
 
UncleAlbert said:
Nozzer

Any chance you could stay,
and Jenny Dabber could go instead. ?


...

Because you'd only moan like a b*tch on heat and claim you are being abused again, can we say OVER the top?

As for Nozzer, it has been said before, stay! You have only been honest with us and that is not breaking any rules.
 
Nozzy/Seacat

I am really pleased you are willing to stay, you entertaiend us (so the comment about being a dry academic is perhaps not quite as true as you think) you made us think, which is always good, and when you thought your research methods had gone over the top you were honest with us. If you do take up a new name you will still be Nozzy to those of us who have enjoyed your post here.

Good luck

Peter

PS I have always though judging the past by todays standards is a very dangerous thing.
 
NozzyNozzer said:
Bloody hell you lot. I never wanted a thread on me. I just wanted to slip away quietly but be honest with you first.

There have been some unexpectedly generous comments here and some not entirely unexpectedly nasty ones. To be honest I expected much worse, though I'm offended though not terribly surprised by Uncle Albert's insinuations. After all it is a bit odd taking an interest in a boys training establishment. Had I not been 15 at the time I read that Sunday Times article in utter disbelief, my interests would no doubt have fallen elsewhere, but Uncle Albert, under the circumstances, it's fair comment. In fact I studied paedophilia during criminology so I suppose he ought to know that were I that way inclined I most certainly would NOT have admitted it. I should have seized the chance to be a moderator and chatted up young sailors - though that would not of course have been paedophilia which is a pathological interest in pre-pubescent children. Pedastry is I think what he infers. Were I really into that I would have become a Scoutmaster or become active in the Sea Cadets. Paedophiles are not interested in old men, which is what ex-Ganges boys are - something I should have preferrred not to have to say. Nor are they into fantasising in this way - what they want is to secure pre-pubescent children for sex and exchanging pictures of young children being abused, etc.

On the other issues, I lied because the questions I want answers to as a criminologist were not forthcoming when I asked them by other, conventional, orthodox, legitimate means. There seems to be widespread denial by ex-Ganges boys about what they were subjected to, some of the evidence clearly indicating sexual abuse which ought to be recorded in an academic paper and dealt with further by specialists in this field. My specialist fields are miscarriages of justice and the events leading to the Holocaust, hence my interest in Ganges, as representative of institutional tolerance to criminality - with lessons for the forces today. I have learned as I stated that the place was not as evil as I had first thought when I began this mini-project in February this year. To me the misuse of both corporal punishment and the already documented foreskin inspections are clear indicators of a culture that tolerated child abuse within the Royal Navy. I have no doubt that these practices are no longer performed in the Service, but I still think their past use should be explored academically and some sort of restitution, even a Ministerial apology, sought, for the victims. I have encountered quite a few victims over the years - men who are still psychologically damaged by what they were subjected to there. It is easy to say remember the good times and forget the bad, but when one encounters people like these who have clearly been damaged by their experiences this is less than satisfactory. I regard this as denial. It is a form of denial that compromises the mental welfare of others, however few they may be.



I have read some claptrap in my time and this comes pretty near the top if not top.
 
Some of Nozzy's comments have disturbed me. He claims to be an academic and to have studied criminology, yet then seems to imply paedophiles are only interested in pre-pubescent children. So I suppose an abnormal interest in young teenagers in uniform being disciplined and having foreskin inspections is OK then is it?

It could be a genuine academic interest, but to be honest I found the constant banging on about Ganges and gay rights a bit tiresome to be honest.

As for being honest and owning up, who cares? He could have just slipped away quietly but instead had to be a big drama queen - "Look at me, I'm a big nancy boy! With breasts and everything! Aren't I sooo gay!"

He's probably loving all the attention this is getting.

Even if he does bugger off to write some journo expose for The Sun or indulge in some Ganges-fuelled self abuse no doubt he'll be back in a couple of weeks as 'Button Boy' or 'Shotley Lad' or similar.

He reminds me of those people who like to dress up in school uniforms and be disciplined by 'strict' teachers for sexual purposes. Except in his case it's Ganges that spins his props. I know he claims to be asexual due to Klinefelter's Syndrome but he also states he's interested in stoker types in overalls so I don't think this asexual claim rings true.

I did know someone who was in the Royal Observer Corps who transferred to the RNXS when that was disbanded and then onto the RNR when that was disbanded so I might ask a few questions in order to unmask this nozzy character. Unless of course that was all further bullshit and lies.
 
Shit, I'm only an ex Cheef Tiffy and this is all way too complicated for me. I understood queers (and when I first joined they got bashed and thrown out ! ) but all of this syndrome stuff...sorry but its way over my head.

I too still wear overalls and boots almost on a daily basis in my civvy job.....should I be worried ?
 
I too wonder if we are not being taken in again,nozzer joined before seacat,whatever the motive can we really believe what is said on here by anyone?. Could this ,nozzers latest be another story? I of course am a 6ft blue eyed 21 year old greek god,put on this earth to pleasure women,but i dont go on about it.
 
Shakey said:
Some of Nozzy's comments have disturbed me. He claims to be an academic and to have studied criminology, yet then seems to imply paedophiles are only interested in pre-pubescent children. So I suppose an abnormal interest in young teenagers in uniform being disciplined and having foreskin inspections is OK then is it?

It could be a genuine academic interest, but to be honest I found the constant banging on about Ganges and gay rights a bit tiresome to be honest.

As for being honest and owning up, who cares? He could have just slipped away quietly but instead had to be a big drama queen - "Look at me, I'm a big nancy boy! With breasts and everything! Aren't I sooo gay!"

He's probably loving all the attention this is getting.

Even if he does bugger off to write some journo expose for The Sun or indulge in some Ganges-fuelled self abuse no doubt he'll be back in a couple of weeks as 'Button Boy' or 'Shotley Lad' or similar.

He reminds me of those people who like to dress up in school uniforms and be disciplined by 'strict' teachers for sexual purposes. Except in his case it's Ganges that spins his props. I know he claims to be asexual due to Klinefelter's Syndrome but he also states he's interested in stoker types in overalls so I don't think this asexual claim rings true.

I did know someone who was in the Royal Observer Corps who transferred to the RNXS when that was disbanded and then onto the RNR when that was disbanded so I might ask a few questions in order to unmask this nozzy character. Unless of course that was all further bullshit and lies.

Hi Shakey,

You have made some perfectly good points here, though I contest your assertions about me, but in the end it's up to you what you believe about me as I have already lied to you all once. Nutty knows the details and the facts and as a former policeman he is in a good position to check up on me, though I do not wish the personal details disclosed on RR for PerSec reasons.

I do not get kicks about children getting abused in this way, or in any way for that matter. If I had my way the minimum age for joining any military type organisation would be 18 and parents who hit their kids would go to prison for it, just as a yob who assaults a granny in the street - after all, there's no moral difference between the two acts! But the issues do need raising in a criminological context and not denying. All I met when I tried to research these issues by legitimate means was a blank wall of denial or claims of "it did us no harm". Really? No one has satisfactority explained to me why the so-called "inspections" were necessary and I must therefore draw my own conclusions from that.

Incidentally, for the record, an interest in post-pubescent children in uniforms being abused is pedastry. An academic interest in mistreatment generally (eg. making people stand in dustbins, burying kit, killing innocent civvies under extreme stress during a combat situation, etc) does not yet have a name to my knowledge, but I am sure you can devise one.

You are entitled to draw whatever conclusions you choose to about me. I am not being a drama queen however, simply stating some bald facts about me. I did so, perhaps ill advisedly with hindsight, in an attempt to tell you something about myself. The easy solution would have been to carry on pretending, to let my alter ego take over: to let the delusion dominate, which was beginning to happen. Of course the easiest thing would have been, when the going got tough, to claim that it was a big wind up after all, but that's not my style.

My asexuality is incidental to Klinefelter syndrome. Most people take the treatment, I stopped. I couldn't see the point. It's my choice/fault. The beards and boiler suits is an attraction in the same way my eyes are diverted by an interesting turntable or engine. There may be something residual, but I feel nothing tangible sexually.

I finally wish to reiterate that you are fully entitled to articulate your low opinions of me Shakey, just in case there is any criticism that you've been harsh. Your criticism is fair under the circumstances. I am the wrongdoer, not you. I request that the MODS decide what should be done about me, and soon. Perhaps Shakey you should PM them all to this effect, now? Frankly I want to get it over with.

Steve.
 
higthepig said:
I too wonder if we are not being taken in again,nozzer joined before seacat,whatever the motive can we really believe what is said on here by anyone?. Could this ,nozzers latest be another story? I of course am a 6ft blue eyed 21 year old greek god,put on this earth to pleasure women,but i dont go on about it.

I lurveeeee you :oops:
 
Shakey said:
Some of Nozzy's comments have disturbed me. He claims to be an academic and to have studied criminology, yet then seems to imply paedophiles are only interested in pre-pubescent children. So I suppose an abnormal interest in young teenagers in uniform being disciplined and having foreskin inspections is OK then is it?

He is quite correct in the academic sense where they break things down into little comparments and name them all differently. The great British public of course is not interested in such precise labelling and adopts more broad brush definitions. Lets face it there are plenty of people out there who even think a paediatrician is a kiddy fiddler rather than a kiddy fixer.
Shakey said:
It could be a genuine academic interest, but to be honest I found the constant banging on about Ganges and gay rights a bit tiresome to be honest.

Mind you if he was tryng to get the 'real' truth about the G Spot then banging on about it all the time was pretty essential, to him.

Shakey said:
As for being honest and owning up, who cares? He could have just slipped away quietly but instead had to be a big drama queen - "Look at me, I'm a big nancy boy! With breasts and everything! Aren't I sooo gay!"

Well on the assumption that his 'confession' is true the rather exotic self description was a vital part of it,.

Shakey said:
He's probably loving all the attention this is getting.

Quite possibly

Shakey said:
Even if he does bugger off to write some journo expose for The Sun or indulge in some Ganges-fuelled self abuse no doubt he'll be back in a couple of weeks as 'Button Boy' or 'Shotley Lad' or similar.

Time will tell, and perhaps he is in fact clever enough to keep a new persona hidden from us for as long as he likes, in fact he could be 'Shakey'

Shakey said:
He reminds me of those people who like to dress up in school uniforms and be disciplined by 'strict' teachers for sexual purposes. Except in his case it's Ganges that spins his props. I know he claims to be asexual due to Klinefelter's Syndrome but he also states he's interested in stoker types in overalls so I don't think this asexual claim rings true.

I think you missed the was and now bits.

Shakey said:
I did know someone who was in the Royal Observer Corps who transferred to the RNXS when that was disbanded and then onto the RNR when that was disbanded so I might ask a few questions in order to unmask this nozzy character. Unless of course that was all further bullshit and lies.

If he is who he now says he is or not, does it really matter all that much, who else on here is who they say they are. He did entertain some of us, he did provoke some interesting discussion for some of us, he was a trifle obsesive for some of us, mind you I can think of a few others that fit that description too.

Who is who they say they are here, Jenny could be the 1st Sea Lord putting on a squeaky voice, I could be Gordon Brown, you just don't know.

Peter
 
Who is who they say they are here, Jenny could be the 1st Sea Lord putting on a squeaky voice, I could be Gordon Brown, you just don't know.

Peter

Right, thats it!! You lot stop following Janner and striking me with images of being a guy, I am a woman and that is that!!!!!! Now before my PMT mood strikes, I'm going for a wet, want one?

Luv ya all

Jen
xx
 
NozzyNozzer said:
Hi Shakey,

You have made some perfectly good points here, though I contest your assertions about me, but in the end it's up to you what you believe about me as I have already lied to you all once. Nutty knows the details and the facts and as a former policeman he is in a good position to check up on me, though I do not wish the personal details disclosed on RR for PerSec reasons.

I do not get kicks about children getting abused in this way, or in any way for that matter. If I had my way the minimum age for joining any military type organisation would be 18 and parents who hit their kids would go to prison for it, just as a yob who assaults a granny in the street - after all, there's no moral difference between the two acts! But the issues do need raising in a criminological context and not denying. All I met when I tried to research these issues by legitimate means was a blank wall of denial or claims of "it did us no harm". Really? No one has satisfactority explained to me why the so-called "inspections" were necessary and I must therefore draw my own conclusions from that.

Incidentally, for the record, an interest in post-pubescent children in uniforms being abused is pedastry. An academic interest in mistreatment generally (eg. making people stand in dustbins, burying kit, killing innocent civvies under extreme stress during a combat situation, etc) does not yet have a name to my knowledge, but I am sure you can devise one.

You are entitled to draw whatever conclusions you choose to about me. I am not being a drama queen however, simply stating some bald facts about me. I did so, perhaps ill advisedly with hindsight, in an attempt to tell you something about myself. The easy solution would have been to carry on pretending, to let my alter ego take over: to let the delusion dominate, which was beginning to happen. Of course the easiest thing would have been, when the going got tough, to claim that it was a big wind up after all, but that's not my style.

My asexuality is incidental to Klinefelter syndrome. Most people take the treatment, I stopped. I couldn't see the point. It's my choice/fault. The beards and boiler suits is an attraction in the same way my eyes are diverted by an interesting turntable or engine. There may be something residual, but I feel nothing tangible sexually.

I finally wish to reiterate that you are fully entitled to articulate your low opinions of me Shakey, just in case there is any criticism that you've been harsh. Your criticism is fair under the circumstances. I am the wrongdoer, not you. I request that the MODS decide what should be done about me, and soon. Perhaps Shakey you should PM them all to this effect, now? Frankly I want to get it over with.

Steve.

On the point of The Inspections, one must remeber that standards of personal hygene were not as good as they are now and certainly often not that achievable for those towards the bottom of the social scale where they did not even have a bath or toilet in the house. One of the things learnt in both WWs was that personal hygene is important, hence short military haircuts for example. An important part of new entry training was ensuring that as many as possible who had not aquired the habit before leaving home di so before they got to the fleet. Inspecting the part you refeed to was part of that process, but ofcourse now we are all obsessed with cleanliness the problem is greatly reduced. Such inspections were and perhaps still are also carried out in the US military, now perhaps more to do with routing out sexually aquired infections.

Peter
 

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