NON CHANGE OF UY/SUY SERVICE NUMBERS ON ENTRY TO BRNC

FunDiver

Midshipman
I attended and SUY acquaint at BRNC Dartmouth yesterday and was informed that due to JPA, that as of Jan 02 2007, on entry to BRNC the UY/SUY service numbers will not change from a 'D' number to a 'C0' number. :sad:

I was worried by this due to a couple of reasons; :???:

1. Confusion by other parties when giving details over the phone (bookings etc), :roll:
2. Possible discrimination when appointments are sought, :evil:
3. Endless explanations starting with " I don't care what service number I have, I AM AN OFFICER!" :shock:

Could anyone explain why,
1, on JPA the service number cannot be changed and
2, is someone doing something about this?

I wish that they would bring back Buzz Busters so that this can be sent out for wider viewing.... :evil:

Sensible suggestions please :roll:
 
It sounds a bit like when they introduced computerised pay many moons ago and officers had to have numbers for the first time, only because no one had bothered to set the system up to work without numbers. I suspect the real answer is the system was not set up to allow numbers to be changed and now they dont have the cash to change it.

The data base though should have your changed staus in it any way so I doubt in the end it will make much difference
 
ASAIK JPA is civilian software bought "off the shelf" with tweaks.
Therefore it cannot introduce employee numbers starting with P/CO/D etc etc which is why all new numbers are just that, numbers.
All numbers will run concurrently too, so you could end up with a number in between two ratings of the same intake as you in whatever service.
 

slim

War Hero
Seems to me that the main reason for your objection is pride!
Lets face it your ID card will show your Rank. Your uniform will be just a bit of a giveaway and when making bookings Rates/Ranks would have been quoted so no explanation should be necessary.

The only other reason that I can think of is that they have retained the old service numbers because it took junior officers too long to learn their new number.
 

FunDiver

Midshipman
slim said:
Seems to me that the main reason for your objection is pride!
Lets face it your ID card will show your Rank. Your uniform will be just a bit of a giveaway and when making bookings Rates/Ranks would have been quoted so no explanation should be necessary.

The only other reason that I can think of is that they have retained the old service numbers because it took junior officers too long to learn their new number.

Yeah cheers Slim. You are quite right about pride. I will have as much pride as the next man on my course, that I made it to BRNC, which is to be expected (i hope) and not ridiculed by other members of the forces (do you have green eyes?). :roll:

No shit my uniform would be a give away!! Also, I'm sure that Junior Officers took/take just as long as the average rating to learn their new number. I am damn sure that I have the intelligence to learn a new number!

What a prat!
 

slim

War Hero
FunDiver said:
slim said:
Seems to me that the main reason for your objection is pride!
Lets face it your ID card will show your Rank. Your uniform will be just a bit of a giveaway and when making bookings Rates/Ranks would have been quoted so no explanation should be necessary.

The only other reason that I can think of is that they have retained the old service numbers because it took junior officers too long to learn their new number.

Yeah cheers Slim. You are quite right about pride. I will have as much pride as the next man on my course, that I made it to BRNC, which is to be expected (i hope) and not ridiculed by other members of the forces (do you have green eyes?). :roll:

No shit my uniform would be a give away!! Also, I'm sure that Junior Officers took/take just as long as the average rating to learn their new number. I am damn sure that I have the intelligence to learn a new number!

What a prat!

I see that we have a complete sense of humour failure. Perhaps I used the word pride incorrectly.
I'm now fairly certain that in your case it is arrogance.
 
FunDiver said:
I attended and SUY acquaint at BRNC Dartmouth yesterday and was informed that due to JPA, that as of Jan 02 2007, on entry to BRNC the UY/SUY service numbers will not change from a 'D' number to a 'C0' number. :sad:

Sensible suggestions please :roll:

When they said your number will not change to a C number, did they mean:

a. You will retain your D number or
b. You will be allocated a new JPA 3XXXXXX number?

I would have thought you would get a new JPA number as you are technically a "new entrant", according to JPA, and will be issued a new number.

JPA is not configured to give out C, D, W, V, P and N numbers since (as Lamri pointed out) it is really a civvi system, and civvies do not distinguish between different types of employee.
 

FunDiver

Midshipman
slim said:
FunDiver said:
slim said:
Seems to me that the main reason for your objection is pride!
Lets face it your ID card will show your Rank. Your uniform will be just a bit of a giveaway and when making bookings Rates/Ranks would have been quoted so no explanation should be necessary.

The only other reason that I can think of is that they have retained the old service numbers because it took junior officers too long to learn their new number.

Yeah cheers Slim. You are quite right about pride. I will have as much pride as the next man on my course, that I made it to BRNC, which is to be expected (i hope) and not ridiculed by other members of the forces (do you have green eyes?). :roll:

No, not a sense of humour failure, but I did ask for sensible suggestions. The fact that numbers are not changing is not only a dissapointment to me but to the other member of my future course, the course after that and the course that started on the 2nd Jan 07. We are trying to find out if an how to get it changed, mainly due to the fact that when we are appointed to jobs in the future there could be an element of discrimination.

Thanks,

No shit my uniform would be a give away!! Also, I'm sure that Junior Officers took/take just as long as the average rating to learn their new number. I am damn sure that I have the intelligence to learn a new number!

What a prat!

I see that we have a complete sense of humour failure. Perhaps I used the word pride incorrectly.
I'm now fairly certain that in your case it is arrogance.
 

FunDiver

Midshipman
TattooDog said:
FunDiver said:
I attended and SUY acquaint at BRNC Dartmouth yesterday and was informed that due to JPA, that as of Jan 02 2007, on entry to BRNC the UY/SUY service numbers will not change from a 'D' number to a 'C0' number. :sad:

Sensible suggestions please :roll:

When they said your number will not change to a C number, did they mean:

a. You will retain your D number or
b. You will be allocated a new JPA 3XXXXXX number?

I would have thought you would get a new JPA number as you are technically a "new entrant", according to JPA, and will be issued a new number.

JPA is not configured to give out C, D, W, V, P and N numbers since (as Lamri pointed out) it is really a civvi system, and civvies do not distinguish between different types of employee.

Cheers Tattoo-Dog,

The UY/SUYs will retain their D numbers apparently, but as then new entry of SUYs, on the 2nd Jan, have not been paid yet they are unsure what their number will be let alone if they will be paid. All they have been told is that they will retain their 'D' number.
 

FunDiver

Midshipman
No, not a sense of humour failure, but I did ask for sensible suggestions.

The fact that numbers are not changing is not only a dissapointment to me but to the other member of my future course, the course after that and the course that started on the 2nd Jan 07.
We are trying to find out if an how to get it changed, mainly due to the fact that when we are appointed to jobs in the future there could be an element of discrimination.
 
FunDiver said:
The UY/SUYs will retain their D numbers apparently, but as then new entry of SUYs, on the 2nd Jan, have not been paid yet they are unsure what their number will be let alone if they will be paid. All they have been told is that they will retain their 'D' number.

WTF??? Obviously someone did not consider this when JPA was "tweaked"!!

This seems to be more than just a case of pride - I think it'll have serious practical issues (What about rates of pay, appointing, Schemes of Complement, kit record books/slops etc??). Mind you, I think JPA will throw up a few more issues - I'm seeing some at work now!

Can't think what will happen when you try to book accommodation.

Sorry to hear you have become the "Guinea Pigs" for this. Possibly one to raise with 2SL PLT (or whatever they're called this month).
 

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