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"No More Spiralling Shipbuilding Costs, Vows Navy Chief"

all_purple_now

Lantern Swinger
Yippee! The RN has been ripped off for too many years, and so have the rest of the services.

Being fair, as I understand it, one of the major cost rises in the CVF programme was slipping the in-service date as a short-term budget saving... seven months after signing the contract. Meanwhile the IPT have to be kept in post, the shipyard compensated, the raw materials increase in price etc. etc. resulting in more expense further down the line.

That is not just mismanagement; that is idiocy.

APN
 
I assume that Commodore Steve realises that he is directly criticising his IPT Leader predecessors? Having been there for 4 years, though, he must have realised that it's the directives from above that sod you up. So what has he actually done/is he doing to solve the problem?

I think he will have found by now that for every fragment of cohesion and control he might strive for, he will have a shed load of "collegues" striving for a different cohesive objective. If he's really clever, he will have worked out that the root of most problems is the IPT concept (as it's evolved) and the "one size fits all" MoD.

Anyway, history is interesting; http://navy-matters.beedall.com/s2c2.htm
 
wave_dodger said:
I'd agree with this but add that I understand there are moves afoot to stop this as too many people have left/leaving/retired/PVRd and gone back to the same IPT as a 'consultant' and are charged out at up to £1800 per day (clearly they don't get that but get around 55%) when in reality they add nothing more than another service person would. Having said this I see little effect as I know people where I work who have recently done the same thing.
 
Hermes_R12 said:
wave_dodger said:
I'd agree with this but add that I understand there are moves afoot to stop this as too many people have left/leaving/retired/PVRd and gone back to the same IPT as a 'consultant' and are charged out at up to £1800 per day (clearly they don't get that but get around 55%) when in reality they add nothing more than another service person would. Having said this I see little effect as I know people where I work who have recently done the same thing.

Consultants ! - I'ts a bit like taking your watch off, giving it to them and asking them to tell you the time - what a waste of money !
 
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canteenflat

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Hermes_R12 said:
Hermes_R12 said:
wave_dodger said:
I'd agree with this but add that I understand there are moves afoot to stop this as too many people have left/leaving/retired/PVRd and gone back to the same IPT as a 'consultant' and are charged out at up to £1800 per day (clearly they don't get that but get around 55%) when in reality they add nothing more than another service person would. Having said this I see little effect as I know people where I work who have recently done the same thing.

Consultants ! - I'ts a bit like taking your watch off, giving it to them and asking them to tell you the time - what a waste of money !
A waste of time, surely.
 

flymo

War Hero
Seadog said:
flymo wrote
Met a "constructor" S LT on the London (T22 type).

Undergraduate then and yet to hear of Archimedes. I hope you are not still holding your breath.

I met one recently (4 ringer in rig - v unusual) who could calculate his own metacentric height and (low) centre of gravity with a slide rule and some lumps of iron but couldn't knot a tie.

RCNC are professional people but in my shallow experience, technical not commercial.

That was you?
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Years ago John Winton described the method of fitting piping in a submarine as the 'Olympic' method - all the pipe people assemble on the jetty with their piping, someone blows a whistle, the first man inboard gets a straight run and the others all work around it in succession.

Even more years ago someone explained top me how fixed-price contracts nearly broke Cossor - so we changed to cost-plus - which Weinstock used to milk the MoD of £8bn on the AWACS Nimrod before the contract was cancelled. Somebody tell me the next method will actually work.
 

Topstop

War Hero
Seaweed said:
Years ago John Winton described the method of fitting piping in a submarine as the 'Olympic' method - all the pipe people assemble on the jetty with their piping, someone blows a whistle, the first man inboard gets a straight run and the others all work around it in succession.

Even more years ago someone explained top me how fixed-price contracts nearly broke Cossor - so we changed to cost-plus - which Weinstock used to milk the MoD of £8bn on the AWACS Nimrod before the contract was cancelled. Somebody tell me the next method will actually work.

On one of the "T" Boats a large 9"+ pipe was removed after that some of that batch had failed a QA test. By the time that pipe had been remade that run had been used for something else and had to be remade again going round the frame rather that through it leaving a large space that was latter fitted with storage lockers. A sod of a place to get to but roomy once in there
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
Flymo asked of me

That was you?

No. I should have written to the effect, a Subby RCNC would be an undergraduate back then - I think. Sorry for the confusion.

Consultants !

They tell us how to solve problems we didn't know we had in ways we don't understand and charging money we haven't got.
 
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canteenflat

Guest
Topstop said:
I have been looking out of the widow for a long time now but have still failed to notice the Squadron of flying pigs, no change there then :evil:
Ask her to part her thighs a little wider.
 

Topstop

War Hero
canteenflat said:
Topstop said:
I have been looking out of the widow for a long time now but have still failed to notice the Squadron of flying pigs, no change there then :evil:
Ask her to part her thighs a little wider.

Bugger :oops: Why isnt there a spill checker on here :(
 
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