News story: Home Secretary statement following Paris attacks

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
WD I bow to your superior knowledge - to be honest I can't remember why troops were used at Heathrow ... only that it happened.

There was a threat to down an airliner IIRC there was concern they had a MANPAD.

but to be honest I would imagine that they would be used to counter any threat before it became a issue or to provide specialist support to the Police AT teams.

Always in support of Police until requested to intervene or authority passed across.

The problem I feel is that we are talking about fanatics who don't seem to be fazed by the thought that sooner or later they are going to be in the sights of a Barratt and then likely to find out in fairly short order !

Broadly I agree but the two brothers in Paris seemed content enough to go on the run maybe that was live to spread havoc another day or weren't that convinced about paradise?
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Good news that the Belgian authorities have acted proactively. A potential terror cell broken before a further atrocity committed.

I do wonder though, free speech is great, but by reposting cartoons are we not just poking the hornets nest again? We tell our children to ignore taunts and turn the other cheek, hear the West has just given huge provocation to an enormous amount of people out in the Middle East who will miss the context - fuel to the fire?
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
One thing that does appear to have happened in the wake of the muderous attocities in Paris is the growing sense that even the media, for the most part, have grown tired of pussy-footing around religious zealots in case they are offended by a picture of their respective prophet.

If memory serves, the second commandment in the Old Testament makes reference to this but the qur'an doesn't explicitly prohibit it, so far as I can tell.

Besides, there have been images depicting various prophets and deities from all religions since at least medeival history according to he BBC (who still grovel about it, judging by their editorial comment): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30814555
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
One thing that does appear to have happened in the wake of the muderous attocities in Paris is the growing sense that even the media, for the most part, have grown tired of pussy-footing around religious zealots in case they are offended by a picture of their respective prophet.

Generally I wouldn't have an issue with it - freedom of speech should be preserved. But I think there is something to be said for poking the wasps nest with sticks after you've been stung.

After all it's not Islam itself we have an issue with it's the fundamentalists/extremists but by condoning these actions, which whilst understandable, we will just alienate a large cross section of moderate muslims and play further to the extremists who will just point out we're clearly anti-Islam.

It's not an easy problem to resolve like most sectarian issues.

This is a good synopsis. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30813742 In essence there is no explicit prohibition on drawing the prophet (or Allah, or Jesus!) but like most of the Koran it's a matter of how it is interpreted. You have to understand the Koran is a book that is how Muhammed describes what Allah told him, so it's not literal, and hence very open to interpretation and that is how the fundamentalists and extremists are able to read into what they choose/perceive/wish...
 
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guestm

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Personally, I thought a more intelligent and thoughtful riposte from CH would have been a cover depicting all Gods and deitys in an equal manner, all on the receiving end of some mocking. Together.
 

MG Maniac

War Hero
But I think there is something to be said for poking the wasps nest with sticks after you've been stung.

WD ... totally agree however .... wouldn't you think this works both ways. OK I agree that CH probably had a pop at the fanatics with the cartoon and yes it is probably giving the wasps nest a healthy smack with a big stick (or perhaps that should be pencil??) but ... on the other hand the fanatics having been blasted away into Valhalla by the Gendarmes then come out with "kill every policeman on the streets you see". Now one thing I learnt fairly quickly when on a run ashore in places where the local plod carried guns was "never upset a plod with a gun" ... It also stand to reason that every home grown jihadist who nipped off to Syria and is now coming back is known to the Security Forces / Intelligence Teams ... so after a comment like that its like having a big target painted on them - as the events in Belgium have sort of proved! Basically ... if you've run away to play with the naughty boys (and girls) ... watch out for the red dot between the eyes if you come back!
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
MG_M, of course it works both ways, particularly when you deal with the moderates but in this situation we're not, we're dealing with extremists who generally are disillusioned individuals being and preyed upon by fundamentalist extremists who want to shape Islam in a way the majority don't.

Europe's porous borders are not going to help us prevent these people seeping back in. I hate to say it but we're going to have to rely on closer intelligence oversight of communications to catch these people and draw together their networks.

The bigger game is that we need play to the 99% of Muslims and get them to purge the extremists - that's the real trick.

The problem then become how do you manage your own right wing nutters such that you can forge a working alliance with other faiths. We need to address that too.
 

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