News Of The World: "Chop Brass"

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by soleil, Sep 25, 2010.

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  1. Mmmm there is nothing new about generals/admirals taking the piss for the last 25 years or more pretending there is global requirement etc

    The British Empire went long ago, get rid!
  2. Maybe Norman should fuck off. Soleil does more for this site and members in contribution and help than you ever have. Go Troll elsewhere.
  3. What a load of bollix.
    Whilst not defending excess, I would question wether the 'Brass' alone had 7.5k kids in boarding schools and if they do how long is it before the ORs kids in boarding schools come under the News International scope?
    I'd think that the Chief Chaplains of the Armed Forces and their staffs, despite our overt macho mocking of them in the Grots and Mess Spaces, provide a more meaningful and worthwhile spiritual and morale boosting service than many of the News of the Screws editorial staff and readership could ever understand.
    I'd even go so far as to say that they deserve the privilages of a civil clergyman of similar status for the service they provide not only to frontline soldiers, sailors, airmen etc etc but also to the families of same at home...How may NotW editors have turned up to a bereft servicemans family to offer succour, help and advice etc? Sweet feck all I'd venture.
    Also would it be productive to have our 'best and brightest' surely a definition of Top Brass sitting in traffic jams for half the day rather than making 2-3 appointments of terror bustin' importance? :roll:
    News of the Screws, The Sun, Fox News? If you use any of these as your main Current Affairs information gathering sources you maybe lacking in factual nutrition. See your friendly professional Information specialist for help and advice .
    factual free information is your friend
    I'm sure the transportion modes and morals of parasitic twunts such as Murdoch and his various editorial staffs would make very interesting reading for the dumbed down readerships of their rags/news organs.
  4. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    How many hours of engagements are going to have to cropped out of diaries so that their owners can sit in traffic jams insetad?

    And if people need to live over the shop, in order to be available pretty much 24/7 (like the Prime Minister) then there has to be somewhere for that to happen.

    If the boarding option is taken away, people will walk. In the prep-school programme last week the wife of a Lt Col (who needed a haircut) said she had moved house seven times in twelve years. What does that do to children's schooling?

    Typical NoW populist rubbish.
  5. Concur.

    Sol is the oil in RR's gearbox, whilst Norm is merely the handful of pebbles in same.
  6. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    "How many hours of engagements are going to have to cropped out of diaries so that their owners can sit in traffic jams insetad?"

    I suspect we'll see 1SL staying in London a lot more, and very few visits by seniors to the troops because they cant take the time out of their diaries. If we're road moving then Guzz becomes an overnight visit, Faslane probably 2 nights.

    Great idea, pay 4*s a fortune to run the armed forces and then watch as they sit in traffic jams (probably self driving) and do no work. Don't worry though, we're giving those nasty toff officers a damn good lesson in humility...
  7. If these 'rumours' have any substance then they will be a blow to many people, not just those at the top.
  8. I was a Killick when I first used BSA whilst serving in Gib, best thing we ever did, my daughter who is dyslexic had a fantastic education much better than she would have got in the state system. It is not cheap though you only got 90% of the basic fee's you still had to find the other 10% plus the other costs associated with boarding school. Would fully recommend it, and to be honest at her school there were a large group of forces kids so they are not alone in their particular circumstance.
  9. Your brushstrokes are a bit broad there, many state schools have excellent provision for kids with individual needs. Likewise many independents have poor student support for issues like dyslexia. All that is, however, an aside, main thing is you found provsion that worked for your daughter in your circumstances which is what the allowance helps you to do, cutting it is short termist in the extreme.

    By the way, don't know whether your Gib draft was accompanied or not but for anyone reading this in a similar position the both high schools in GIb are excellent...
  10. No argument there, Labrum, but BSA always provides the continuity of a child's education whenever the wife chooses to follow the man on his drafts/appointments.

    The alternative is to plant family roots and your man then become another long distance traveller.

    I cannot cite the origins of Service BSA but I understood that it arose from a similar long standing scheme for Civil Servants prone to frequent postings.

    Rider (Ever concious of gender equality) Please read the above as an eg with the serving breadwinner being a male person.
  11. By the way, don't know whether your Gib draft was accompanied or not but for anyone reading this in a similar position the both high schools in GIb are excellent...[/quote]

    I was married accompanied, initally my daughter came out with us along with her younger sibling. The main problem was that the Gib high school tended to speak Spanish whilst in the classroom, both teachers and fellow students. This was were the problems arose, so we sent her private and it was then discovered that she was dsylexic, the navy paid for the SEN statement aswell. She is now in the mob serving on a 42.
  12. hackle

    hackle Badgeman Moderator

  13. Thank you, for once the weasel words chosen clarify it's actual purpose; obviously some-one slipped up there :wink:
  14. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    This "piece of 'journalism'" is the sort of ill informed opionated claptrap that will do far more damage than good.

    CSA is open to all ranks/rates, it's a great tool to smooth out one of the bugbears of military life - moving the family often/living in areas accessible for work but not great for schooling. It's an excellent retention tool which is why altering it will be seen as a great manpower lever to get rid of people rather than pay exensive redundancy. But it will be folly because the people claiming CSA tend by and large to be the experienced/skilled and committed people you need to retain.

    As for the utter rot about Senior Officer perks, I know from first hand experience that only a very select few have "perks" and those are pretty much needed to support their additional duties. Frequent travel to/from a variety of locations and the absence of staff cars (Staff Car Allowance List was amended 2 years ago) means many 2* and 3* don't have a dedicated staff car and need access to pool cars, which are mobile offices as an hour or two in a car is dead time to these people unless they have access to secure IT, phones and space to work - trains don't cut it.

    Far from wanting to be seen as supporting perks I know how hard these 2*/3* work, and yes they earn good money (not compared to their commerical peers though) but they work bloody hard to get it and I've yet to meet one who doesn't dig out for the right reasons.
  15. Continuity of Education Allowance (CEA) is available to entitled personnel of any rank but it is worth noting that junior officers/ranks/rates are least likely to have children of boarding school age. This makes CEA a particularly significant incentive to older personnel with valuable accumulated skills and experience to stick around just at the point they might contemplate pursuing a second career outside. Latest figures for recipients:

    House of Lords written answers 16 Mar 2010
  16. Out of interest what is the commercial equivalent of a 2/3*?
  17. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Wurz - I invest in a range of companies, and even smallish ones (40 - 50 staff, turnover of under 50 million per year) will usually pay their directors (roughly 3* equiv) well in excess of 150 - 250K plus shares, plus car, plus bonuses.

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