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"New Scotland" ashamed of our forces

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MIA
Book Reviewer
Karma said:
Potential_Officer said:
Karma if it is not that, then please do tell what is it. I find it a coincidence that it is never followed by an arguement!

Consider that you're certainly not in a minority with fairly hard right wing views, so I don't imagine it's your political position that people have an issue with.

Can I suggest that you look back over the reactions and consider what it might have been...

Don't worry, you have plenty to gain from Dartmouth.

No doubt SR and LH's will have input later :thumright:
 

DancesWithJPA

Lantern Swinger
Given that the Students Presentation Teams are based near Swindon, I doubt they'll be upset at not having to go to Jockland for a week. They'll probably live a little longer for starters.
 

shellbackmac

Lantern Swinger
ateohwun said:
nobody has pointed out what the argentinians did to them in paris, we all serve one country and are very proud of it, let them be small.

Dont quite know what you are on about here pal......just spent the the last few posts identifying how a part of the UK is proud of its particular contribution to Great Britain in the same way for instance England can be proud of its vast regimental, RAF and Naval heritage, the Welsh are proud of the Welsh Guards, Northern Irish proud of the Royal Ulster Rifles, Enniskilens etc What that has to do with a rugby team ie Scotland reaching the limit of its limited ambitions against a team it hasn't beaten since 1990 is beyond me my friend.
 

snorko

Lantern Swinger
Guys, I live in Scotland, work in England, and from my perspective it is very clear that scottish executive, run by the SNP, is clear on a few things. It is hell-bent on achieving independence and through no considerable effort is picking fights with Westminster on issues which are easy wins - i.e basing the replacement of trident on the clyde, troops out of Iraq, Spending on the NHS and Education (funded through the Barnett(?) formula), trying to renationalise all train services, university top up fees and the list goes on. What is is achieving is creating a ground swell of support for independence, based upon the percieved injustive of "Westminster rule". Whether this groundswell is enough to win a vote is debatable - from the people I know I would say not - however if there is a vote and IF the SNP win it, then it would indefensible to deny scotland independence. Therefore although the MSP's do not have a great deal of direct power at the moment, if they play their cards right they soon may - and Scotland would be an independent country. It is also obvious to me, that political leanings in Scotland are much further to the left than they are in England, so although this motion is only a proposal, it is MUCH more likely to succeed in Scotland than it would in the UK. Do not assume it will fail. Scottish politics is a strange beast, still very immature in Holyrood and strange things happen.

Moondog, you obviously disagree with P_O, however you might try explaining why you think he is such a tool. He might not yet be in the RN, but he appears to be fairly well informed.
 
snorko said:
Guys, I live in Scotland, work in England, and from my perspective it is very clear that scottish executive, run by the SNP, is clear on a few things. It is hell-bent on achieving independence and through no considerable effort is picking fights with Westminster on issues which are easy wins - i.e basing the replacement of trident on the clyde, troops out of Iraq, Spending on the NHS and Education (funded through the Barnett(?) formula), trying to renationalise all train services, university top up fees and the list goes on. What is is achieving is creating a ground swell of support for independence, based upon the percieved injustive of "Westminster rule". Whether this groundswell is enough to win a vote is debatable - from the people I know I would say not - however if there is a vote and IF the SNP win it, then it would indefensible to deny scotland independence. Therefore although the MSP's do not have a great deal of direct power at the moment, if they play their cards right they soon may - and Scotland would be an independent country. It is also obvious to me, that political leanings in Scotland are much further to the left than they are in England, so although this motion is only a proposal, it is MUCH more likely to succeed in Scotland than it would in the UK. Do not assume it will fail. Scottish politics is a strange beast, still very immature in Holyrood and strange things happen.

Of course the SNP want independance, and wil be nibbling away at every opportunity they get. They are however not anti military and support the armed forces, and one of the reasons they want the deterent out of Faslane is because one they do not see a role for a deterent in an independant Scotland, and two because they will need the place as a base for the Scots Navy. Scottish plitics are imature soley because they have been under the control of labour party aparachics and cronies for far to long, and I think the progress that has been made with a minority administration n the last few months shows a far greater level of maturity than one gets from Westminster with it's yah boo politics. As to whether this will become law, probably any ones guess but one must remeber the Scots left leanings are as much from a far greater belief in community and sciety than is often expressed south of the border than deep Socialist beliefs, or pacifism. The main reason it may succeed is because the Scottish parliament does give far greater opportunty for private members motions than Westminster does and is perhaps thus more democratic.

snorko said:
Moondog, you obviously disagree with P_O, however you might try explaining why you think he is such a tool. He might not yet be in the RN, but he appears to be fairly well informed.

Though there are times when he should realise that part of communication is adopting the listening and learning mode from time to time

Finally I would sggest that if the Scots vote for independance it will be more because of the rabid anti Scots propoganda emanating from certain areas in the south as evidenced by a certain Mr MacKenzies outburst on question time last week, than any inbuilt desire for separation
 

pingbosun

Lantern Swinger
G'day all, and especially pertentul orficer.




Been crook for some time, though I can see the P/O hasn't changed his supposedly wardroom thinking, about how he and his class are a wee bit better at thinking their way is not only the best way,it's the only way.

In one way I'm glad that their will never be a chance of me serving on the same ship as you, as your wee world keeps you floating in and adrift somewhere that no-one else is allowed to go unless you have funny gold rings on your sleeves with a curl on top {I could write a song about that last stanza]

In another way, I'd love to spend six weeks going round Iceland with you on a small fisheries patrol boat, I'm quite sure that you my freen, wid sin chinge yer mind aboota lota things. Though the first thing you still have to git richt, even necessary for orficers, is to: engage your brain before opening and stating things that are completely and absolutely from some other planet, certainly, not how the norm is on this wee place we call earth.


I can just imagine you, if you go in through the lower deck , starting to come out with your nearly commie comments, the first time you went with a gash bucket during the last dog, would be your last I'm afraid matey. Although I think that would be beyond comprehension for your self important ideas of what you are here on earth for..
Though, even in a wardroom, if you were to start talking some of the garbage that you spout whenever your mouth opens before engaging the grey matter, you won't be long in getting a draft chit to some other ship, then anither, an anither, till you feenish up OOW of a scow with no one else aboard.

How much longer does her Majesties Navy have to wait, until you grace the hallowed halls of Dartmouth?? and finally become something at long last, that some folk will look up to, remember as some-one else said back in this thread, that clothes, or in your case the "Ring" on your clothes do not a gentleman make, Nor do they make men follow you,!!!!. YOU ALL [orficers] have to earn this respect, and with your peculiar way of thinking, there won't be much respect from the lower deck, do remember that the men in the lower deck respect Chiefs and PO's much easier and obey them quicker than they do orficers, with little sea time experience, especially ones who still think there is a big social divide between YOUZ YINS and UZ YINS in T' lower deck.

"YOUR" old FRIEND [I'm back again] the : pingbosun


PS.I hope that I picked it up wrong !!! but did you say that you were one of Gods Chosen Few?? a fellow Scot??
 
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