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"New Scotland" ashamed of our forces

SNP and Green Councillors and MSPs are making moves to ban Armed Forces Careers advisors from going into schools.

"It's not appropriate to go into schools and colleges and tell children that it's a great career and a great opportunity to see the world, especially if there's not a lot of information available about what it's like to work in somewhere like Iraq." Ms Chapman Green Councillor.

Some of the Comments are truely appalling, fortunately some prove that not all Scots are CND lovers.

http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=983992007

When Ms Chapman says that there is not alot of information about what it is like to work in Iraq or Afghanistan does she not watch the news, we hear daily of events in the two countries, it is a focal point of the Media.

My brother managed to get on a day out with the Army, and didn't go into the Army, although he did thorougly enjoy the day. It is as much about teaching people about what the Armed Forces do as it is recruiting, my understanding is that URNUs are run similiarly, if the URNU Midis join the Navy, great, if not they will take away a positive view of the Navy.

Some people seem to have forgotten very quickly the massive sacrifice that the Armed Forces have made over the years, I am glad that one of the comments was a well written piece by a Mr. Kipling.
 

stumpy

War Hero
I loved all the comments complaining about scots serving the the British Army and for the British government... have they seen who is running this government ffs... an unelected bunch of Scots fffs!
 

finknottle

Banned
stumpy said:
I loved all the comments complaining about scots serving the the British Army and for the British government... have they seen who is running this government ffs... an unelected bunch of Scots fffs![/quote]

unelected, get a grip will you. The frightening thing is that you probably have a vote.
 

chieftiff

War Hero
Moderator
The article simply demonstrates that the people we trust to look after the interests of our children merely exist to push their own personal agenda, they're truly pathetic. The respondants appear in general to be a bunch of delusional morons who can't accept that Scotland still does make up Britain and "their" Armed Forces also serve to defend Scotland's interests.

It's nothing more than political posturing that may well serve to deny some young people an honourable and valid career through ignorance.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Can I just point out that is only a motion, and is therefore not effective legislation as yet? Speculation can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands... :roll:
 

chieftiff

War Hero
Moderator
sgtpepperband said:
Can I just point out that is only a motion, and is therefore not effective legislation as yet? Speculation can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands... :roll:

To be honest I doubt it will be (but I wouldn't bet on it) the point is said councillor seems more than willing to explain her view and its tenuous justification to the journalist hence "political posturing"
 
I was merely pointing out that there are people in Scotland in power who want this sort of thing. People who are ashamed of the sacrifice our forces have made to allow them to make those stupid comments.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
...and those same people 'in power' will be out of a job very quickly, if their constituents don't agree with their ideas. The power is with the electorate...
 

Karma

War Hero
Potential_Officer said:
I was merely pointing out that there are people in Scotland in power who want this sort of thing. People who are ashamed of the sacrifice our forces have made to allow them to make those stupid comments.

Careers advice from the military in schools in Scotland has been difficult for years, I know when I was at school, and then Uni, they weren't allowed in. the justification at the time was the deterrent.
 

dunkers

War Hero
Oh FFS. That's my general reaction to this.

P_O, please don't be so naive as to believe these people - the Scottish Parliament "polititians" - have any real meaning or influence. They really, really don't.
 
I am merely worried that there seems to be an increasing minority of Scots who seem to wish to break up the Union which has worked well for both countries so many years, Scotland would not be better off without the Union, and England would be worse off without Scotland.

And that is was supported by the Scottish Teaching Union tells me that it is not limited to just a few loonie lefties in Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Green Party. (Mind most teachers I know are definately typical Grauniad readers!)
 
I did a 'lent' draft to a Recruiting Office at one time --in Scotland.
Was there about three weeks ------home time for me during a quiet period
of the refit .

They had a schools liaison guy who used to travel around the various secondary schools and visit the careers teacher usually to hand out leaflets and updates on joining requirements for any prospective school kid who was thinking about joining the RN.

I did attend one school ,the recruiters had been invited to, and gave a very informal talk to a class about Submarines it was more of a meet the Navy than a recruitment drive.
The class teachers attended aswell--------probably glad to get away from the normal school subjects .

As for breaking with the Union ,it will never happen Scotland is an
integral part of the UK and the Queen is Scotlands Queen .
The Scottish parliament and its powers are limited in terms of what they can and can't do ----------we still have a Scottish Office in place .
At the moment The Scottish Parliament is wondering how much their share of the UK budget they will get this year/next year with a new chancellor in place.

As for defence --the number of Scots on MOD related work and their voting powers would be a hazard to the longevity of any Scots Gov. proposing separation.
 

stumpy

War Hero
finknottle said:
stumpy said:
I loved all the comments complaining about scots serving the the British Army and for the British government... have they seen who is running this government ffs... an unelected bunch of Scots fffs![/quote]

unelected, get a grip will you. The frightening thing is that you probably have a vote.

I was merely pointing out that at the last election New Labour were elected on the promise that Bliar would serve a whole parliamentary term. Internal New Labour politics changed this, fine things change, but the new government does not have a mandate from the people. I know that legally there is no need to call an election, but morally there is.

Who exactly voted for Brown to be PM?

I don't want the Union to break up, but having read the posts on the original link I do worry about it happening.
 

noggie

MIA
I worked in the careers office in Dundee for 6 months, we were out around schools all the time, we had the DNR teams up during the summer season, there was never any problems.
The MSP's can easly voted out if the people do not agree :rendeer:
 
Potential_Officer said:
I was merely pointing out that there are people in Scotland in power who want this sort of thing. People who are ashamed of the sacrifice our forces have made to allow them to make those stupid comments.

Equally there are many people in England with the same agenda, let he who is without guilt throw the first stone.
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
moondog said:
PO get a grip!!
Thank **** I will never serve above or below you!!

Cool down POLTO, PO is so far up his own arse He'll self destruct shortly :thumright:
 
stumpy said:
finknottle said:
stumpy said:
I loved all the comments complaining about scots serving the the British Army and for the British government... have they seen who is running this government ffs... an unelected bunch of Scots fffs![/quote]

unelected, get a grip will you. The frightening thing is that you probably have a vote.

I was merely pointing out that at the last election New Labour were elected on the promise that Bliar would serve a whole parliamentary term. Internal New Labour politics changed this, fine things change, but the new government does not have a mandate from the people. I know that legally there is no need to call an election, but morally there is.

Who exactly voted for Brown to be PM?

I don't want the Union to break up, but having read the posts on the original link I do worry about it happening.

Just how many of the current bunch of MPs are not elected? Parliamnent has a mandate until some one calls another election. Every one except you knew that Brown was the annointed one to succeed Blair so one could suggest that most of those who voted labour accepted that.

We have changed PMs mid term often enough before, that is quite normal, grow up and get on with life rather than bursting a blood vessel over nothing.

Being the old cynic that I am I have a little thought that all the current talk about the possibility of an election came from those who in NuLabor who want to see Brown fail and thus get rid of him, shame they failed.
 
moondog said:
PO get a grip!!
Thank **** I will never serve above or below you!!

I am equally glad, someone who judges someones ability to lead and serve on their political leanings (i.e. Being a Unionist) is not the sort of person I want to serve alongside. Or maybe Janner I am not allowed to make such a comment, as my head is so far up my own arse.

And Maxi, it is not in England that there are currently Councillors and MPs supporting the suggestion, it is Scotland. It coming not long after the First Minister gave support to the illegal protests outside Faslane is a worrying development as to the aims of the SNP. I find it hard to believe that the SNP managed to get the largest number of seats with this platform.
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
This asinine, self-delusional, moronic attitude lurks in other corners. I quote from The News, Portsmouth a few days ago:

"I say no to more navy ships .. Why are we such a warmongering country? .. " - Christine Gray, Vanguard Road [true!!], Gosport. (No Persec problem as her name was in the paper anyway).

Of course it may be that the lady would have preferred to have been brought up ina Nazi dictatorship .. perhaps she'd like to hear another point of view from RR members!
 
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