New Carriers for Australian Navy

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    Australia to buy Spanish warships - 20/12/07 Sydney Morning Herald

    Australia is to buy three Spanish designed warships and two large Spanish landing ships, Prime Minister John Howard announced today.

    Mr Howard said the navy would be equipped with three Navantia F100 air warfare destroyers worth a total of $8 billion.

    To be Australia's most advanced and expensive warships, they will enter service from 2013.

    And in another win for Spain, the Australian navy will be equipped with two 27,000 tonne Navantia landing ships at a cost of about $3 billion.

    Mr Howard said the purchases would add significantly to Australia's military capability.

    In the case of the Navantia-designed amphibious landing ships, they would also help with disaster relief efforts.

    "They will greatly enhance Australia's ability to send forces in strength when required, particularly in our own region but not, of course, restricted to our own region," he told reporters.

    "(It) will, of course, include a capacity to send forces and men and women and materials in relation to disaster relief efforts.

    "They will be able to land over 1000 personnel along with their vehicles - the new M1 Abrams tanks, artillery and supplies, and use integrated helicopters and water craft."

    Mr Howard said about a quarter of the construction work on the landing ships would take place in Australia, generating about 600 jobs.

    "The superstructure will be constructed and the majority of the fitout will be completed in Melbourne with an estimated value of about $500 million," Mr Howard said.

    "The majority of the combat system design and integration work will take place in Adelaide and the value of that work will be up to about $100 million."

    Mr Howard said the Navantia destroyers had been selected as the "next generation air warfare destroyer'' for the Royal Australian Navy.

    The three Spanish-designed ships would be delivered in 2014, 2016, and 2017, he said.

    "This does represent a massive lift in the Royal Australian Navy air warfare capability,'' Mr Howard said.

    "These vessels will be able to perform the full spectrum of joint maritime operations.''

    He said the vessels would be equipped with the most capable air combat system in the world.

    The destroyers will be assembled in Adelaide by an alliance between navy shipbuilder ASC, the Defence Materiel Organisation and mission systems company Raytheon, he said.

    Australian industry will provide around 55 per cent of content and about 3000 Australians across the country will be employed.

    It's believed the Australian navy favoured a larger, US-designed destroyer which could be more readily updated with changing technology, has a longer range, and carries more missiles and an extra helicopter.

    But the Spanish design is cheaper and is already in service, meaning it can be delivered two years earlier than the US designed warship.

    Chief of the Navy Vice Admiral Russ Shalders said he "absolutely'' supported the government's decision to purchase the Spanish warships instead of the US-designed vessels.

    "The navy is very excited, very optimistic about both of these decisions,'' Vice Admiral Shalders told reporters.

    "This will change the face of the navy for the next 30-plus years.

    "In 2050 we'll be looking back at the decisions and in 2050 I'm very confident that we'll look back and say that was the right decision.''

    Defence Minister Brendan Nelson said the purchase was a vital project for Australia's defence capability and economic security.

    "These amphibious ships, escorted by the three air warfare destroyers in our region, will ensure that we are able to undertake security stabilisation, maritime border protection, peacekeeping and humanitarian and disaster relief priorities,'' he said.

    "We also need to recognise that this government has placed defence and security of its nation ahead of all other priorities.''

    Dr Nelson said the government undertook a rigorous process before signing off on the contracts and was well aware of what it was getting into.

    "We go into these projects today with our eyes wide open,'' he said.

    "No Australian would forget, that when in government, the Labor Party gave us the Collins class submarines with all of the problems that were not anticipated.

    "We are very confident in terms of capability schedule and price in terms of what's going to be delivered here.''

    Dr Nelson said the investment would shape the defence force and navy for the next 40 years.

    The ships would be fully interoperable with the US, he said.

    "The 48 missile cells on this ship, the Aegis combat system on air warfare destroyer, that and many other things make it fully interoperable with our key ally the United States,'' he said.

    "I can assure you that the Australianisation of the Spanish F100, with larger engines, with sonar buoys and a whole variety of other capabilities will well and truly deliver the capability that the government set for itself in the white paper and in the subsequent updates.''

    The $4.5 billion investment in Australia would not only create jobs in South Australia and Victoria, Dr Nelson said.

    "It represents a bonanza for Australian contractors, more than 1000 contractors with 3500 new jobs throughout this country ... not only in South Australia and Victoria, but for example NSW, Queensland, southern Tasmania and WA.''
  2. Cracking news :)
  3. Anyone else becoming increasingly tempted by those join the Australian Navy ads you see in the Navy News?
  4. I've got 3 years left in the mob and then i'll be over there in a flash :D
    Its nothing to do with the navy though, just getting out of this country ;)
  5. Ok and you have NEVER being critical of an aussie being on this site have you? We will welcome you with open arms Lamri, but that's manners for you!
  6. Will these be slightly differrent to those pictures and have a flat deck, i.e. no ramp? Or will they be capable of STOVL aircraft? Are the Aussies planning on getting "Through-Deck Cruisers" or just Ocean-esque carriers?
  7. its nothing to do with you being an Aussie, its because you are a pratt ;)
  8. Yep certainly am. Female, 37 year old, career. no children (uncle ulbert must be screaming about now). Lamri you know NOTHING about me, so what you just said is null and void. PM me if you would like to know why I am on this site? If you have the bulls that is to take me on without a public specticle?
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  9. So we can cancel our Carriers now, and rely on our Aussie Friends.Nice one.[​IMG]
  10. Public Spectacle?
    Yes, I suppose you are.
    AP, if you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined up ;)

    Oh, you didn't join up, did you......
  11. Off to a good start aren't you??
  12. Whatever [​IMG]
  13. You`re quick enough to pick others up on their spelling, check your own out, whats a specticle? And i think you`re on this site because you`ve been kicked off all of the others that you go on.[​IMG]
  14. Lamri, join the Aussies by all means, but please,please,do not desert "this country" we need you and like minds on this site to regain our Great Country, traditions and culture, that took 2000 years to build, a lot of which which has been eroded in the last 10 years.
    I live in a Court of 19 families, all youngish professionals, with brilliant kids, and 6 families are thinking of immigrating because of what is happening to our once beautiful land. This is repeated all over the country and not just for the sunshine. I know we have to think of our kids, and grand kids. At this moment I am glad I have only got about 20 years left, and I did want to live to a 100 years just to see pusser off for my pension
  15. Exactly mate, i'm thinking of my kids!
    Kids that i'm too scared to let out on their own to play like I did, not just because of sicko perverts, but because of other, older kids that are bored, because of idiots driving when they can't even spell "car".
    Also because of Education and prospects, and sporting facilities, and LOTS of other reasons :)
    But mainly to give my kids the chances that I think they deserve and will not get here.

    (Oh, that and AussiePint lives over here ;) )
    That was a bloody JOKE by the way ya miserable heffer :D
  16. Off thread I know (don't care!!)....Hig,..... where DO you get your "smilies" from??....PMSL!!! :biggrin: :biggrin:
  17. Oink I have supported you. It's amazing what a few beers will do innit it?
    Please look for me on any other site, cos you won't find me. Not even a blog, my life is that boring, I have to resort to logging on to RR for your insults! OK
  18. Stripey, you use IE or FireFox mate?
    Cos you can get them as an add-on for Firefox :)

    etc etc
  19. Back to the point (sorry!), if you click on the link at the top it has a good cutaway pic of the ship, and says that it will have a ski ramp for VSTOL aircraft, presumably JSF which the Aussies have ordered.

    However, the hanger for aircraft appears fairly small (though it is a bit hard to make out) and the flight deck arrangement at the stern looks odd as you lose a lot of flight deck space. Also, 27,000 tons is fine for an amphibious ship, but too small for operating a serious number of JSFs or similar, in that role it wouldn't be much better than a CVS if at all.

    Also, the CVF will be able to be converted to a catapult system if needed in the future, which the Aussie design couldn't be.

    I am not trying to be negative but it seems like they are trying to sneak in a proper carrier while paying for an amphibious ship. A bit more cash could have brought a lot more ship.

    Looks nice though!!
  20. Crew: 36 !!!

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