Never thought I would post something like this

Talking to my daughter last night, she's been in a few years now and is old enough and mature enough to reason and debate the current state of the Royal Navy and probably the armed forces in general.
Times are hard for those serving the older members of us will recall similar periods in the not too distant past when we were shafted, piss poor pay rises, but increases in food and accom etc, well these times are here again, however, this time with a significant difference, they've pissed around with pensions, terms of service, pay banding and senior officers who's duty it is to protect those who's job puts them in harms way have neglected their collective responsibility and their silence over these changes and the effects upon moral are deafening.
We ask our servicemen and women to go into harms way and this has never been so evident in the past 10-15 years. We have a time bomb waiting to happen when the guys injured in recent conflicts realise that once discharged help and support are piss poor except in the most exceptional cases. Support such as Help for Heroes etc will diminish as media coverage and our withdrawal from areas of conflict fade from the media headlines.

The economy is improving the civilian sector truly want the qualities and experience you serving members have in abundance, loyalty, respect and integrity still mean a lot in our society.
I can look back now and realise as a relative high flier in my day I could have made a lot more for myself and my family if I had left earlier than I did.
If you feel like the time is right guys GO the grown ups really, really don't give a flying fcuk, after all retirement for these senior guys means directorships with BAE, EADS Civil Service etc.

Its taken me 56 years to realise, sad old fcuk, Falklands 82, Gulf 1 and 2 don't mean sod all it takes a mass exodus for them to realise just like in previous years when redundancies were announced, clever guys took it and surprise surprise 12 months later the services were begging them to come back on much better terms.

IMHO youv'e been shafted too much and I for one have had my eyes closed whilst it happened.

1% pay rise, massive increase in Food and Accomodation takes the piss.

As always for those of you still serving have my greatest respect, your country really doesn't deserve you.

Rant over

Standing by for incoming
 

Sharkey

War Hero
The option to strike isn't there and putting in your notice isn't always doable, the forces don't have a voice, bugger about with the T&C of nurses, civil servants, teachers and the box/papers is full of an outraged mob with placards, the forces get a letter to the times or a 90 second sound bite from a retired bigwig, in times of belt tightening the forces are an easy target
 

babygravy

Lantern Swinger
Exactly, the forces lose a lot of freedoms, to protect other people's. They sacrifice these freedoms (and ultimately their lives) under the standing that the overseers will look after them.

When MPs get £300 allowance a day just to turn up to work, would they put up with the shite serving members get, and would they ever make the ultimate sacrifice for their country?
 
G

guestm

Guest
Perspective.

We're still doing alright. There are graduates fighting over the chance to get 18k PA jobs.
 
Why should the senior officers give a shit, they're on the big bucks and regardless of the changes their pension will still be pretty bloody good. Let's be honest all a majority of them care about is trying to please whoever writes their reports and those of us at the lower end of the food chain are merely a means to an end.
 
Perspective.

We're still doing alright. There are graduates fighting over the chance to get 18k PA jobs.
That's right Monty but most do not have the experience, discipline, attitude and ability thatmost service leavers have in abundance (there will always be exceptions). Like many I chose to stay because it benefited my circumstances boarding school allowance etc, many of the allowances have either been stopped or access to them restricted over the past 10 years. The media tends to portray organisations such as the Legion, Combat Stress etc as the DBs, in relation to most civilian charities they probably are, however, resources are severely limited I for one would not like to be in a situation were I depended upon them for help.
I enjoyed my time I have a healthy pension, but I have seen those benefits eroded over the years probably post AFP 75, still better than most civvy pensions but the saddest thing is you really do not have a voice, nobody in the civillian sector, just like senior officers, really give a fcuk
 

silverfox

War Hero
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Book Reviewer
Perspective. I am married to a midwife and what is happening to the Military pension is exactly what is happening to the other elements across the Public sector. We have enjoyed a pension scheme that has been generous beyond belief for many years but is now is unaffordable. It's not being eroded, it's being brought into the real world. Same same with CEA - a hugely over abused allowance which accounted for a large portion of the Allowances budget, but paid to a fraction of the total workforce. The world is a different place now friend....
 
It's not being eroded, it's being brought into the real world. Same same with CEA - a hugely over abused allowance which accounted for a large portion of the Allowances budget, but paid to a fraction of the total workforce. The world is a different place now friend....
Dear friend, how can CEA be a bad thing? it enabled the children of uneducated peasants like myself obtain a fantastic education at a fraction of the price. Most ratings I encountered on the rare occasions it was discussed on the lower deck was often be along the lines of "I wouldn't send my child away from home" what bollocks. I agree with your statement about coming into line with the civilian sector, however, can you tell me the last time she deployed?? when she last put herself potentially into harms way, maybe it was trying to find a car parking space in the hospital.

Edited for atrocious grammar hence the shite education
 
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Dear friend, how can CEA be a bad thing? it enabled the children of uneducated peasants like myself obtain a fantastic education at a fraction of the price. Most ratings I encountered on the rare occasions it was discussed on the lower deck is there response would often be along the lines of "I wouldn't send my child away from home" what bollocks. I agree with your statement about coming into line with the civilian sector, however, can you tell me the last time she deployed?? when she last put herself potentially into harms way, maybe it was trying to find a car parking space in the hospital.
We'll if that's your criteria for CEA eligibility then surely all of those who are in non sea going billets should forfeit their right to it. Although I'm not a fan of some of the reduction of allowances I fail to see how the MOD subsidising the education of the children of service personnel is of benefit to the forces.
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
Dear friend, how can CEA be a bad thing? it enabled the children of uneducated peasants like myself obtain a fantastic education at a fraction of the price. Most ratings I encountered on the rare occasions it was discussed on the lower deck was often be along the lines of "I wouldn't send my child away from home" what bollocks. I agree with your statement about coming into line with the civilian sector, however, can you tell me the last time she deployed?? when she last put herself potentially into harms way, maybe it was trying to find a car parking space in the hospital.

Edited for atrocious grammar hence the shite education

Maybe not the same as having to face a smoking AK47 barrel but . . . :

http://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/SecurityManagement/Documents/violence_towards_NHS_staff_from_the_public.pdf

NHS Protect NHS Protect News NHS Business Services Authority

Any public-facing service organisation, public or private, carries the risk of violence from our proletariat, and no more so than those in the medical services which can be a combination of personal aggression, fear or as a symptom of their condition both mental and physiological.
 

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