Neptune, Baal, anchors, vikings, Scotland

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  1. Here's a bit of light in the bilges where old flotsam is found. It could be that sailing traditions about the protector , Baal (= Neptune) , were known to crews on river-boats going from Marseilles France up the Rhone river to Seine river and the Channel in Roman times. Vikings may have taken this northwards. The fouled anchor possibly has some connection , maybe the jettisoned anchors for Baal were fouled ? So the raw data is copied here for you to consider.
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    King Neptune:
    " Captain Robert FitzRoy of HMS Beagle suggested the practice had developed from earlier ceremonies in Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian vessels passing notable headlands.



     
  2. German scholar H. Petersmann has proposed a rather different interpretation of the theology of Neptune. Developing his understanding of the theonym as rooted in IE *nebh, he argues that the god would be an ancient deity of the cloudy and rainy sky in company with and in opposition to Zeus/Jupiter, god of the clear bright sky. Similar to Caelus, he would be the father of all living beings on Earth through the fertilising power of rainwater."

    The Temple of Baalshamin was an ancient temple in the city ofPalmyra, Syria, dedicated to theCanaanitesky deity Baalshamin.


     
  3. . The temple's earliest phase dates to the late 2nd century BC. It was rebuilt in 131 AD, while the altar before the temple is dated to 115 AD.
    ... Baal is a patron of sailors (C. Grave, The Etymology of Northwest Semitic )...




     
  4. Neptune and anchor


    Here's a bit of light in the bilges where old flotsam is found. It could be that sailing traditions about the protector , Baal (= Neptune) , were known to crews on river-boats going from Marseilles France up the Rhone river to Seine river and the Channel in Roman times. Vikings may have taken this northwards. The fouled anchor possibly has some connection , maybe the jettisoned anchors for Baal were fouled ? So the raw data is copied here for you to consider.



    The Pagan God: Popular Religion in the Greco-Roman Near East
    The second part of the document begins with the mention of Baal Shamin. ... Baal Saphon's character as “patron of sailors” is emphasized by an Egyptian ...
    A cylinder seal depicting Baal-zephon as "protector of sailors" ...
    Phoenician gods of the sea - Due to the number of deities similar to the "Lord of the Sea" in classical mythology, there have been many difficulties attributing one specific name to the sea deity or the "Poseidon–Neptune" figure of Phoenician religion. While Yamm is the god of the sea, he truly represents vast chaos. Baal, on the other hand, is a representative for order. In Ugaritic myth, Baal overcomes Yamm's power.



     
  5. Religion in Carthage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    One of the most important stelae is the "Marseilles Tariff" found in the port of Marseille and originally from the temple of Baal-Saphon in Carthage.
    Canaanite deities likeBaal and Astarte were being worshipped from Cyprus to Sardinia, Malta, Sicily, Spain, Portugal, ...
    "Spain": From Phoenician: "I-Shaphan", meaning "Land ofHyraxes". Later Latinized as "Hispania"
    Map of Calle Dios Baal, Cartagena, Spain | MapQuest
    Cartagena : Spanish naval base. Festival of Roman Carthage culture.




     

  6. Balsa , port in Portugal. " Phoenician communities existed and space could be associated with their deity Baal Saphon, perhaps even before the eighth century BC.
    Phoenician Baal himself, here, as god of storms and winds that could lead to failure or bolster a maritime design.
    Somewhere the Monte Figo, must have been for many centuries, sanctuary with one headlamp beam of constant light, dedicated to Lucifer / Phosphoros, deification of the planet Venus, entity conducting the dead and sailors, bearer of light in the darkness.
    Remained so throughout the centuries religious functionality Hill, dedicated to protective deities of sailors: Baal, Zéfiro, Lucífer,."




     

  7. Portuguese:
    Balsa1. Pool, a lake of standing water.
    2.
    (Ñautical.) Raft or float for conveying goods or persons across a river.

    "The fouled anchor was adopted as the official seal of Lord High Admiral Charles Lord Howard of Effingham during the late 1500s. A variation of the seal had been in use by the Lord High Admiral of Scotland about a century earlier. "

    " It was probably adopted because the fouled anchor was the personal seal of Lord Howard of Effingham, who was Lord High Admiral at the time of the Armada, and was transferred to the office of state instead of the person at that time.
    . The initials of Francis and his wife Margaret Douglas appear on the walls, together with an anchor representing Stewart's position of Lord High Admiral of Scotland .
     
  8. The fouled anchor was adopted as the official seal of Lord High Admiral Charles Lord Howard of Effingham during the late 1500s. A variation of the seal had been in use by the Lord High Admiral of Scotland about a century earlier.
     
  9. . The initials of Francis and his wife Margaret Douglas appear on the walls, together with an anchor representing Stewart's position of Lord High Admiral of Scotland .
    1482 Alexander Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany"
    " [Up to the late Tudor or Stuart period] the Admiralty badge was a crescent moon with a golden star between the horns, but about that time the crescent was replaced by the anchor which was also used a seal with a motto round it according to the fancy of the Lord High Admiral. When the Earl of Northumberland was in office, the anchor had a cable festooned about it in a wonderful manner. "
     
  10. On boarding said vessel, my first direction was to draw a ‘fouled anchor’ symbol (in chalk) above every exterior on-board doorway so that every crewman, of whatever nationality, would understand that the vessel was now under arrest, pending resolution of the dispute; .. – the Chandler would attend and physically remove the ship’s wheel, or propeller. ..Until now, 35 years later, I had always assumed that the fouled anchor-symbol just showed that the vessel was not to be moved, but now (thanks to this website) I realise that it may also have meant that the vessel was ‘forfeit’ to The Admiralty (and hence, The Crown) pending resolution of the dispute. "
    Douglas Stuart Summers (ret’d.).
     
  11. Henry I Sinclair, Earl of Orkney, aScottish and a Norwegian nobleman.. He is best known today because of a modern legend that he took part in explorations of Greenland and North America almost 100 years before Christopher Columbus.
    Seagoing Ships and Seamanship in the Bronze Age Levant - Page 273
    " It appears thatanchors were dedicated to specific gods, most probably those
    (like Baal) in charge of the weather. Two anchors, for which Frost proposes
    a fifteenth- or fourteenth- century date, were found flanking the entrance to a
    tomb ."
    "The city and the surrounding plain were dominated by the temples of Baal and
    Dagan. At night or during storms, beacons may have been lit on the summit of
    the temples in order to guide ships safely into the harbor. Sailors who attributed
    their safe return to the storm god Baal-Hadad no doubt made the votive offerings
    of 17 stone anchors found in his sanctuary."
    " Corroborating Marc Bloch in Apology for History, Thompson reminds us that, "to
    the great despair of historians, men do not change their vocabulary every time they
    change their customs - and this is also true for the vocabulary of rituals".
    (Thompson, 1977, p.255).
     

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